Hi Yvan, Am Mon, 30 Jul 2007 10:45:51 +0200 schrieb Yvan Barthélemy: > 2007/7/30, Eric Hoch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >> >>> I has a discussion with Bernhard Dippold and Florent Effenberger >>> about a contest that I want to organize in order to promote >>> OpenOffice.org to the Mac community. >>> >>> I would like to have your opinion about the current draft. >>> >>> The title of the contest might be : >>> "Design the best interface mockup ever for Aqua version of >>> OpenOffice.org" >>> >>> What would be expected to be provided by participants : >>> Screens of their wanted UI for the main windows and interface >>> elements of OpenOffice (i.e. for the main window will be a drawing of >>> the entire window, how it looks like, what there is in it, how the >>> user interact with, etc.) >> >> No need to do so. Almost everything for the Mac is accurately >> defined by Apple and can be found here >> < >> http://developer.apple.com/documentation/UserExperience/Accessibility-date.html >>> >> where the Apple Human Interface Guidelines >> < >> http://developer.apple.com/documentation/UserExperience/Conceptual/OSXHIGuidelines/index.html >>> >> are the most important document to read. > > > I know these, but they don't describe the design of the interface. These > are just aqua related guidelines. This is in fact what I called Aqua > Integration criteria. It is not the whole interface.
So you meant that we should think of a good answer to Microsofts ribbons? But instead of just doing as MS and simply implmement a ribbon clone we ask designers, users etc if and how they would change the interface so that it matches user experience while not completely giving up the traditional GUI. This would be a huge effort. There are almost as many defenders for the stick with it as it always was as power users/newbies wishing a more logical gui were they find the function were they search for or better where they expect it. > The only think I can imagine of is a better suited Icon set for the >> Mac but Tango - once translated is close to this. > > > I will be rude, but I don't really care about eye-candy icon set. I am a bit > more ambitious. O.K. got it. I misread your first email. >>> I am aware that more details should be added here. >>>> >>>> This contest is firstly marketing, and then a source of idea that >>>> should be profitable for OpenOffice.org on all platforms, not only >>>> Aqua, even if the contest is mainly targetted to Aqua peoples. >> >> If it's firstly about marketing. Forget it! At least you are >> honest. It should be about giving Mac users what they expect. > > > Are you saying that these both goals are incompatible ? No I'm not saying that they are incompatible. I'm saying that when PR comes first that once the PR is done nobody will take care if the changes are really implemented or if they are implemented the way it was announced. > Maybe you didn't understood what is behind marketing. Yes I did. > A HIG conform OOo and not a we use the hype about Mac OOo and squeeze out >> the last drop out of it before it's too late. > > > Sorry, I didn't get your point. Can you be more clear ? Yes. PR uses the Mac Port as long as there is a hype and once the 15 Minutes of fame we could generate out of this contest are over nobody will take care if the GUI changes are done. >> Will there be any qualified designers, employees from Apple or >> comparable mac addicted companies in the jury which decides this? > > > If some want to join, I will be happy to integrate them in the jury. Do you > have any contact ? Maybe I can reactivate some old ones. I had contact with a leading member of an advertising agency in Switzerland. For contact to Apple ask Eric Bachard one he returns from holliday. >>>> The objectives are the following : >>>> - Communicate on the Aqua OpenOffice.org port differently than >>>> using the traditionnal developement/update announces >> >> It's not different at all. > > > It is. Please explain me why you think so. It seems as if I don't get the point here. Maybe it's that I don't get the right meaning of the english words. > O.K. we've had some discussions on this >> and they are not settled down but currently we try to go back to >> traditionell OOo development release and release milestones without >> hacks on a regular base. > > > What is the relationship between this and my contest ? See above. I must have misunderstood your writing. > I am working with them. Eric was very enthusiast about the project. O.K. Then I really misunderstand something. But what? >>> - Communicate about our willing to have the best interface for our >>>> Office suite. >>>> There is no any warranty for the winner. And I believe that the whole >>>> set of ideas of the winner won't be integrated, but mostly part of it >>>> (and probably not only the ideas of the winner). However, this should >>>> be discussed with the UI team. >> >> Why should any serious designer contest if his work won't be >> integrated? > > > I hope it will, but I am not a decision maker. I can't say it will if I > can't guarantee it. What if we first clarify if changes will be integrated? >> please contact Ismael he currently works on a mac friendly OOo >> design and should know about HIG etc. > > > As a Carbon, Cocoa developer for nearly 5 years, AppleScript, HyperTalk for > 15 years and enthusiast Mac user since 20 years. I should know about HIG. O.K. My apologies but it really came to me as a PR only think which is only here to generate headlines and once the 15 Minutes of fame we got for this are over we continue and no GUI change is done at all. Kind regards, Eric Hoch -- ## de.OpenOffice.org - Office für MacOS X, Linux, Solaris & Windows ## Openoffice.org - ich steck mit drin! --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
