2007/7/30, Eric Hoch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > Hi Yvan, > Am Mon, 30 Jul 2007 10:45:51 +0200 schrieb Yvan Barthélemy: > > I know these, but they don't describe the design of the interface. > These > > are just aqua related guidelines. This is in fact what I called Aqua > > Integration criteria. It is not the whole interface. > > So you meant that we should think of a good answer to Microsofts > ribbons?
It would be a good idea. But instead of just doing as MS and simply implmement a > ribbon clone we ask designers, users etc if and how they would > change the interface so that it matches user experience while not > completely giving up the traditional GUI. Exactly ! This would be a huge effort. This is worst. There are almost as many defenders > for the stick with it as it always was > as power users/newbies > wishing a more logical gui were they find the function were they > search for or better where they expect it. Make it an option, and see what feedback we get... Doing that, everybody could be happy. >>> This contest is firstly marketing, and then a source of idea that > >>> should be profitable for OpenOffice.org on all platforms, not only > >>> Aqua, even if the contest is mainly targetted to Aqua peoples. > >> > >> If it's firstly about marketing. Forget it! At least you are > >> honest. It should be about giving Mac users what they expect. > > > > Are you saying that these both goals are incompatible ? > > No I'm not saying that they are incompatible. I'm saying that when > PR comes first that once the PR is done nobody will take care if > the changes are really implemented or if they are implemented the > way it was announced. I quite agree with you, in fact, I was trying to say, we will doing our best to use the work in OpenOffice.org but cannot guarantee it. And in same time, point the fact that even if it is used only a few, it is worst doing it because of the marketing impact. But, I will do my best for things to be used. That is why I want to talk about this contest to the whole developer community, and not only marketing guys. By the way, is PR standing for Press Release or promotion ? PR uses the Mac Port as long as there is a hype and once the > 15 Minutes of fame we could generate out of this contest are over > nobody will take care if the GUI changes are done. I am a member of Mac Porting team (with little activity though) and not of PR. >> Will there be any qualified designers, employees from Apple or > >> comparable mac addicted companies in the jury which decides this? > > > > If some want to join, I will be happy to integrate them in the jury. Do > you > > have any contact ? > > Maybe I can reactivate some old ones. I had contact with a leading > member of an advertising agency in Switzerland. I would be happy you do. But maybe we should precise first the admission and winning criterias ? For contact to Apple ask Eric Bachard one he returns from holliday. No problem. >>> The objectives are the following : > >>> - Communicate on the Aqua OpenOffice.org port differently than > >>> using the traditionnal developement/update announces > >> > >> It's not different at all. > > > > It is. > > Please explain me why you think so. It seems as if I don't get the > point here. Maybe it's that I don't get the right meaning of the > english words. > > > O.K. we've had some discussions on this > >> and they are not settled down but currently we try to go back to > >> traditionell OOo development release and release milestones without > >> hacks on a regular base. > > > > > > What is the relationship between this and my contest ? > > See above. I must have misunderstood your writing. > > > I am working with them. Eric was very enthusiast about the project. > > O.K. Then I really misunderstand something. But what? > > >>> - Communicate about our willing to have the best interface for our > >>>> Office suite. > > >>>> There is no any warranty for the winner. And I believe that the whole > >>>> set of ideas of the winner won't be integrated, but mostly part of it > >>>> (and probably not only the ideas of the winner). However, this should > >>>> be discussed with the UI team. > >> > >> Why should any serious designer contest if his work won't be > >> integrated? > > > > > > I hope it will, but I am not a decision maker. I can't say it will if I > > can't guarantee it. > > What if we first clarify if changes will be integrated? I don't know a path to guarantee it, if you know one, you are welcome. However, I can talk about this with Eric Bachard, Philipp Lohmann and Herbert Duerr and other core members of mac port. But this will not be sufficient. > As a Carbon, Cocoa developer for nearly 5 years, AppleScript, HyperTalk > for > > 15 years and enthusiast Mac user since 20 years. I should know about > HIG. > > O.K. My apologies but it really came to me as a PR only think which > is only here to generate headlines and once the 15 Minutes of fame > we got for this are over we continue and no GUI change is done at > all. It is definitely what I want to avoid. Regards, Yvan
