I accept your apology. Chris
On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 11:16 AM, Sam Moffatt <[email protected]> wrote: > I guess the expectation was that Google with it's apparently strong > open source ethos would be more supportive and not go out of its way > to obstruct progress. I apologise for my high expectations and hoping > that things could be better. > > Cheers, > > Sam Moffatt > http://pasamio.id.au > > > > On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 10:45 AM, Chris DiBona <[email protected]> wrote: >>> I don't list any of the others because I personally only track one >>> list, OSXFUSE, whilst I know there are quite a few alternatives out >>> there that are better documented elsewhere on this increasingly spam >>> filled list. I'd rather people make their own mind up on which fork to >>> follow as each has their own ethos and objectives. >> >> Ok. So it's okay for people to fork, good! >> >>> And a project in a stalled state for three years actively blocking >>> those who wish to make it work on an operating system that is now a >>> couple of months old and for the 64-bit native versions of the prior >>> release of said operating system (2009, around the same era as the >>> last release really) is rather much a PITA. One year? Sure, ok, busy. >> >> After a year, someone should have forked it, obviously. What's the >> problem with this? This isn't about good vs evil. >> >>> Two years? Perhaps time to look at things. Three years? Accept you're >>> not going to get back to it and move on or support those who wish to >>> help you out. I don't think forking after trying to recover a project >>> and having a company that prides itself on doing no evil and open >>> source step in the way instead of helping to facilitate the >>> improvement of that open source venture. >> >> Again, open source doesn't mean 'we do whatever Sam Moffat wants' or >> even 'we maintain a piece of software for x years' it doesn't even >> mean that we commit to naming successor projects. It does mean that >> people can fork the software if they don't like how it runs or how the >> project is being run. There isn't anything wrong with that and that's >> why we release under real open source licenses. >> >> Similarly, It isn't an open source 'venture'. It's a project. We've >> released something like 3k of them, not all of them are successful, >> fewer are under continuous development and fewer still are popular >> enough to warrant restaffing after a developer has moved on. Open >> sourcing something doesn't mean that the original developer has to >> continue to work on it until their last dying breath. It's okay for >> developers to move on, and it is similarly okay to ask that the >> project that is left behind isn't handed over to another and that they >> can fork if they don't like it. >> >>> Realistically the point of this place at the moment is to keep people >>> up and running with the lights on answering the posts directing >>> traffic and to continue to defend that Google didn't maliciously put >>> this software on their computer secret but most likely some other >>> application did it but just never told you or to explain why >>> com.google.macfuse is crashing on their system after upgrading to >>> Lion. Oh and to get spam because that never gets old >> >> I'm not going to begin to parse this, or reply further to this thread. >> Please fork this project and tell people where to find it. >> >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> Sam Moffatt >>> http://pasamio.id.au >>> >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 12:15 AM, Chris DiBona <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> It's not evil for a developer to wish to maintain a project even in a >>>> stalled state. Nor is it evil to fork a project you see as being dead. >>>> So, please fork the code, and do wonderful work with it. Why don't you >>>> list some of the lists so that those who are interested can go check >>>> out those lists? >>>> >>>> Chris >>>> >>>> On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 11:04 AM, Sam Moffatt <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> MacFUSE has been abandoned by it's owner for quite a long time. An >>>>> attempt to recover the project was made but Google in their infinite >>>>> wisdom reverted this because it was originally developed by a Googler >>>>> and returned the project back to said Googler ensuring that MacFUSE as >>>>> a name will die due to lack of interest from the owner. Do no evil >>>>> right? >>>>> >>>>> If you don't want spam, I'd suggest signing up to the lists of one of >>>>> the forked projects instead which are actively maintained and not >>>>> being ignored. >>>>> >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> >>>>> Sam Moffatt >>>>> http://pasamio.id.au >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 6:30 AM, Paul Eipper <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> Is there a mod of this list that can clean the spam out by >>>>>> kicking/banning the spammer accounts? >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Paul Eipper >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>> Groups "MacFUSE" group. >>>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>> [email protected]. >>>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macfuse?hl=en. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Director of Open Source, Google Inc. >>>> Our open source and developer programs can be found at >>>> http://code.google.com >>>> Site, Bio, Pics: http://dibona.com Google Plus: http://goo.gl/MRK6a >>>> Twitter: @cdibona >>>> >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Director of Open Source, Google Inc. >> Our open source and developer programs can be found at http://code.google.com >> Site, Bio, Pics: http://dibona.com Google Plus: http://goo.gl/MRK6a >> Twitter: @cdibona >> > -- Director of Open Source, Google Inc. 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