Hi Chris, You are absolutely right.
However, I think _minimal_ cooperation --like updating the project home to reflect the project status-- is something the original project owner or Google could help the world with. The web is full of links directing people here, who will not find the information they need. A simple note on the project home saying that * macfuse is not being actively maintained anymore, and * the list archive contains links to alternatives could have saved some time for me, and maybe for a lot of other people... not to mention the guys answering the Lion compatibility question twice a week :-). Best Regards, Péter On 2011.11.17., at 19:45, Chris DiBona wrote: >> I don't list any of the others because I personally only track one >> list, OSXFUSE, whilst I know there are quite a few alternatives out >> there that are better documented elsewhere on this increasingly spam >> filled list. I'd rather people make their own mind up on which fork to >> follow as each has their own ethos and objectives. > > Ok. So it's okay for people to fork, good! > >> And a project in a stalled state for three years actively blocking >> those who wish to make it work on an operating system that is now a >> couple of months old and for the 64-bit native versions of the prior >> release of said operating system (2009, around the same era as the >> last release really) is rather much a PITA. One year? Sure, ok, busy. > > After a year, someone should have forked it, obviously. What's the > problem with this? This isn't about good vs evil. > >> Two years? Perhaps time to look at things. Three years? Accept you're >> not going to get back to it and move on or support those who wish to >> help you out. I don't think forking after trying to recover a project >> and having a company that prides itself on doing no evil and open >> source step in the way instead of helping to facilitate the >> improvement of that open source venture. > > Again, open source doesn't mean 'we do whatever Sam Moffat wants' or > even 'we maintain a piece of software for x years' it doesn't even > mean that we commit to naming successor projects. It does mean that > people can fork the software if they don't like how it runs or how the > project is being run. There isn't anything wrong with that and that's > why we release under real open source licenses. > > Similarly, It isn't an open source 'venture'. It's a project. We've > released something like 3k of them, not all of them are successful, > fewer are under continuous development and fewer still are popular > enough to warrant restaffing after a developer has moved on. Open > sourcing something doesn't mean that the original developer has to > continue to work on it until their last dying breath. It's okay for > developers to move on, and it is similarly okay to ask that the > project that is left behind isn't handed over to another and that they > can fork if they don't like it. > >> Realistically the point of this place at the moment is to keep people >> up and running with the lights on answering the posts directing >> traffic and to continue to defend that Google didn't maliciously put >> this software on their computer secret but most likely some other >> application did it but just never told you or to explain why >> com.google.macfuse is crashing on their system after upgrading to >> Lion. Oh and to get spam because that never gets old > > I'm not going to begin to parse this, or reply further to this thread. > Please fork this project and tell people where to find it. > >> >> Cheers, >> >> Sam Moffatt >> http://pasamio.id.au >> >> >> >> On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 12:15 AM, Chris DiBona <[email protected]> wrote: >>> It's not evil for a developer to wish to maintain a project even in a >>> stalled state. Nor is it evil to fork a project you see as being dead. >>> So, please fork the code, and do wonderful work with it. Why don't you >>> list some of the lists so that those who are interested can go check >>> out those lists? >>> >>> Chris >>> >>> On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 11:04 AM, Sam Moffatt <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> MacFUSE has been abandoned by it's owner for quite a long time. An >>>> attempt to recover the project was made but Google in their infinite >>>> wisdom reverted this because it was originally developed by a Googler >>>> and returned the project back to said Googler ensuring that MacFUSE as >>>> a name will die due to lack of interest from the owner. Do no evil >>>> right? >>>> >>>> If you don't want spam, I'd suggest signing up to the lists of one of >>>> the forked projects instead which are actively maintained and not >>>> being ignored. >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> >>>> Sam Moffatt >>>> http://pasamio.id.au >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 6:30 AM, Paul Eipper <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> Is there a mod of this list that can clean the spam out by >>>>> kicking/banning the spammer accounts? >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Paul Eipper >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>>> "MacFUSE" group. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>> [email protected]. >>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macfuse?hl=en. >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Director of Open Source, Google Inc. >>> Our open source and developer programs can be found at >>> http://code.google.com >>> Site, Bio, Pics: http://dibona.com Google Plus: http://goo.gl/MRK6a >>> Twitter: @cdibona >>> >> > > > > -- > Director of Open Source, Google Inc. > Our open source and developer programs can be found at http://code.google.com > Site, Bio, Pics: http://dibona.com Google Plus: http://goo.gl/MRK6a > Twitter: @cdibona > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacFUSE" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macfuse?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacFUSE" group. 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