That seems reasonable, I'll put something up after lunch. Chris On Nov 17, 2011 11:27 AM, "Péter Szabó" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Hi Chris, > > You are absolutely right. > > However, I think _minimal_ cooperation --like updating the project home to > reflect the project status-- is something the original project owner or > Google could help the world with. > The web is full of links directing people here, who will not find the > information they need. > > A simple note on the project home saying that > * macfuse is not being actively maintained anymore, and > * the list archive contains links to alternatives > could have saved some time for me, and maybe for a lot of other people... > not to mention the guys answering the Lion compatibility question twice a > week :-). > > Best Regards, > Péter > > > On 2011.11.17., at 19:45, Chris DiBona wrote: > > >> I don't list any of the others because I personally only track one > >> list, OSXFUSE, whilst I know there are quite a few alternatives out > >> there that are better documented elsewhere on this increasingly spam > >> filled list. I'd rather people make their own mind up on which fork to > >> follow as each has their own ethos and objectives. > > > > Ok. So it's okay for people to fork, good! > > > >> And a project in a stalled state for three years actively blocking > >> those who wish to make it work on an operating system that is now a > >> couple of months old and for the 64-bit native versions of the prior > >> release of said operating system (2009, around the same era as the > >> last release really) is rather much a PITA. One year? Sure, ok, busy. > > > > After a year, someone should have forked it, obviously. What's the > > problem with this? This isn't about good vs evil. > > > >> Two years? Perhaps time to look at things. Three years? Accept you're > >> not going to get back to it and move on or support those who wish to > >> help you out. I don't think forking after trying to recover a project > >> and having a company that prides itself on doing no evil and open > >> source step in the way instead of helping to facilitate the > >> improvement of that open source venture. > > > > Again, open source doesn't mean 'we do whatever Sam Moffat wants' or > > even 'we maintain a piece of software for x years' it doesn't even > > mean that we commit to naming successor projects. It does mean that > > people can fork the software if they don't like how it runs or how the > > project is being run. There isn't anything wrong with that and that's > > why we release under real open source licenses. > > > > Similarly, It isn't an open source 'venture'. It's a project. We've > > released something like 3k of them, not all of them are successful, > > fewer are under continuous development and fewer still are popular > > enough to warrant restaffing after a developer has moved on. Open > > sourcing something doesn't mean that the original developer has to > > continue to work on it until their last dying breath. It's okay for > > developers to move on, and it is similarly okay to ask that the > > project that is left behind isn't handed over to another and that they > > can fork if they don't like it. > > > >> Realistically the point of this place at the moment is to keep people > >> up and running with the lights on answering the posts directing > >> traffic and to continue to defend that Google didn't maliciously put > >> this software on their computer secret but most likely some other > >> application did it but just never told you or to explain why > >> com.google.macfuse is crashing on their system after upgrading to > >> Lion. Oh and to get spam because that never gets old > > > > I'm not going to begin to parse this, or reply further to this thread. > > Please fork this project and tell people where to find it. > > > >> > >> Cheers, > >> > >> Sam Moffatt > >> http://pasamio.id.au > >> > >> > >> > >> On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 12:15 AM, Chris DiBona <[email protected]> > wrote: > >>> It's not evil for a developer to wish to maintain a project even in a > >>> stalled state. Nor is it evil to fork a project you see as being dead. > >>> So, please fork the code, and do wonderful work with it. Why don't you > >>> list some of the lists so that those who are interested can go check > >>> out those lists? > >>> > >>> Chris > >>> > >>> On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 11:04 AM, Sam Moffatt <[email protected]> > wrote: > >>>> MacFUSE has been abandoned by it's owner for quite a long time. An > >>>> attempt to recover the project was made but Google in their infinite > >>>> wisdom reverted this because it was originally developed by a Googler > >>>> and returned the project back to said Googler ensuring that MacFUSE as > >>>> a name will die due to lack of interest from the owner. Do no evil > >>>> right? > >>>> > >>>> If you don't want spam, I'd suggest signing up to the lists of one of > >>>> the forked projects instead which are actively maintained and not > >>>> being ignored. > >>>> > >>>> Cheers, > >>>> > >>>> Sam Moffatt > >>>> http://pasamio.id.au > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 6:30 AM, Paul Eipper <[email protected]> > wrote: > >>>>> Is there a mod of this list that can clean the spam out by > >>>>> kicking/banning the spammer accounts? > >>>>> > >>>>> -- > >>>>> Paul Eipper > >>>>> > >>>>> -- > >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "MacFUSE" group. > >>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > >>>>> For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macfuse?hl=en. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> Director of Open Source, Google Inc. > >>> Our open source and developer programs can be found at > http://code.google.com > >>> Site, Bio, Pics: http://dibona.com Google Plus: http://goo.gl/MRK6a > >>> Twitter: @cdibona > >>> > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > Director of Open Source, Google Inc. > > Our open source and developer programs can be found at > http://code.google.com > > Site, Bio, Pics: http://dibona.com Google Plus: http://goo.gl/MRK6a > > Twitter: @cdibona > > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "MacFUSE" group. > > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macfuse?hl=en. > > > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacFUSE" group. 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