a followup to my own babble, and OT to boot... but kinda like Bill's 
experience.

I have taken out the battery from my iBook because I use it mostly as my 
desktop at home, and don't want to run down the battery. As such, my 
system clock depends on network time (for some strange reason iBook 
doesn't seem to run its clock on a physical internal battery). One day 
my cable modem connection was down, and the darn computer refused to 
startup... it got hung trying to locate the time on the internet. The 
silly thing should have just bypassed that and logged it as an error... 
but no. it was kaput. Took me a while to figure out what was wrong. I 
disconnected the iBook from the network and then it started up fine. 
Then I reconnected, configured and corrected the cable modem, and 
everything was a-ok.

pk/



On Monday, April 1, 2002, at 09:22  PM, Puneet Kishor wrote:

> A slightly different perspective, from a relative newbie...
>
> my read is that Bill is saying that if you've forgotten the password 
> then the box just hangs while trying to startup.
>
> By getting in the box in the Single-user mode he is able to get into 
> the files to edit hostconfig without having the computer hangup trying 
> to start Apache... because in Single-user mode Apache doesn't start up 
> at all.
>
> Although Ken does have an interesting point on the security issue... 
> but I see Bill's point... the computer should still ask for the pwd in 
> Single-user mode as well. For example, at work I have physical access 
> to my colleague's computer but I still can't get in because it asks me 
> for his password, which, conveniently, I don't know.
>
> Anyway, thanks Bill for adding your experience to the archive. I'll 
> file it away because knowing myself, I will probably always need ways 
> to get out of corners I work myself into.
>
> pk/
>
>
>
>
> On Monday, April 1, 2002, at 09:12  PM, Chris Devers wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 1 Apr 2002, Bill -Sx- Jones wrote:
>>
>>> On 4/1/02 9:46 PM, "Chris Devers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Mon, 1 Apr 2002, Bill -Sx- Jones wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Cmd-S  (Single User Mode.)
>>>>
>>>> Why are you booting into single user mode to edit 
>>>> /private/etc/hostconfig?
>>>> Why not just edit it normally, then reboot if you have to? Does being
>>>> booted into single user mode while editing the file resolve some 
>>>> issue
>>>> that I'm not able to think of here? I don't see the point here...
>>>
>>> Apparently you didn't read the whole message ?
>>>
>>> Re-read it and get back to me;
>>
>> Thanks, but I read it twice & now three times, and I still don't get 
>> it.
>> Why does setting up SSL mode boots of Apache get easier when you boot 
>> into
>> single user mode, as opposed to just doing "sudo pico /etc/hostconfig" 
>> and
>> then rebooting without the extra, slow step? I believe that there has 
>> to
>> be a good reason to do it this way, but like I say, I don't see the 
>> point.
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Chris Devers                                [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Apache / mod_perl / http://homepage.mac.com/chdevers/resume/
>>
>> "More war soon. You know how it is."    -- mnftiu.cc
>>
>

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