Sure, the thread is somewhat OT, but we all need to think about what tools we'll use in the future, when the glitz has worn off information technology.
> I thought one of the real core differences was that it was built with > GCC 3.1 instead of the 2.95 branch. From what I've been reading on openBSD's misc list (among other places) GCC 3.xx is not handling low-level optimizations very well. GCC 3.1 might, in fact, take part of the blame for the kernel panics. Trade-offs. You sometimes have to take a step back to move ahead. > As a developer I'm quite happy to > have paid for the new updated tools to be so deeply integrated. I > kinda wish they'd gotten perl 5.8 under the wire, but that wasn't a big > deal to install. There's alot under the hood that really makes it > worth the $$$. IMNSHO Knowing what has had to be done to get Mac OS X running, I am simply in awe. Okay, not like what I feel towards God or the Grand Canyon, but as much awe as I can feel towards any of the work of humans. In my POV, 10.2 confirms that Apple recognizes that the corners they cut to get Mac OS X out the door (just barely) in the market window have to be filled in. Anyway, I'm buying Jaguar this week or next month, as my budget will handle it. .mac doesn't fit my budget. I've been half expecting .mac to go for-pay, so I never used the .mac addresses for more than spam buffering. (Accessed the google newsgroups from the .mac address, and I was spending too much time on that anyway.) What would induce me to keep the .mac account? If my budget were in better condition, I'd probably keep it, although I don't really use anything but the e-mail. (Could they separate the e-mail?) I already have a provider, and their rates are kept reasonable. The provider serves my regular personal mail address, so I need something to motivate a switch. If .mac were JPY 10,000 a year, including a 56K modem point of access (15+ hours, in Japan), I'd consider switching. If the 10 yen for three minutes telephone connect time were also included, or if it were JPY 20,000 for ADSL, I'd seriously consider it. I do think they ought to have a free minimal .mac account, e-mail and a small iDisk, one per valid serial number, with all new machines, valid for the duration of the warranty/service agreement. That would probably sell more AppleCare, too. But what I would really like, and if Apple were to include it with their basic .mac, it would be a huge selling point, is a spam-trapping news-group-view mail address server/mail browser -- an address for public use with a browser that would do things like showing the send/reply sequence in tree form the way it shows on newsgroups, would sort mail by sender and subject line, would download an index list of topic lines and senders on demand (so I could delete without having to wait for the whole body to download), and where the server would send an automatic response to any mail that did not match the "accept" filter. Anybody know of work on mail server scripts that would support this kind of thing? Of course, where this all has to eventually head is that your phone will become your mail server. -- Joel Rees <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>