On 5/28/2009 3:39 PM, Cara Quinn wrote:
>     Sean, I'd be happy to entertain your below points, but firstly,
> forgive me, but this honestly sounds like the very same rhetoric that
> I hear all too often in the blind community which simply is a negative
> response to touch screens?…  Yes?…
>
>     Is this really what your saying with the below, or are you
> genuinely not understanding how current touch screen tech is already
> used in the VI / blind community…
>
>     Touch screen devices are already used by the visually impaired on a
> daily basis…
>
>     On the point of accessible apps, I'm also not sure what your
> getting at here; Obviously, OSX / VO is already functioning just fine
> with a wide range of applications and as Apple would most assuredly
> extend the same paradigm to the IPhone, the same would logically hold
> true…
>
>     Yes there would probably be apps which weren't accessible, as there
> are on the Mac, Windows, and various current Smart Phones / PDAs.
> However, there's every reason to believe that if there were an
> accessible IPhone screen access solution by Apple, that it's
> integration alone, would allow substantial access out of the box as it
> were.
>
>     I'm not clear on why you'd suggest that an accessible IPhone isn't
> really an IPhone. What do you mean here?…<smile>   Is a computer not
> 'really' a computer simply because it may run an accessible interface
> solution?…  This type of logic doesn't make sense to me, but I'd
> certainly be interested in hearing where you're coming from on it, if
> you don't mind…
>
>     Sure, the user experience would be different from a sighted user,
> but people customize their user experience very often, anyway.  So
> this seems kind of moot to me…
>
>     Anyway, I hope I've understood you correctly here, and that the
> above makes sense. :)
>
>     Have a great day and talk with ya soon!…
>
> Smiles,
>
> Cara  :)
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> On May 28, 2009, at 10:48 AM, Sean Tikkun wrote:
>
>       Can folks on this board help me out here?  I don't see the point of
> an accessible iPhone.  The fluid dynamic of screen touch technology
> combined with GUI interface seems like it is just a counter accessible
> design form the get go.  Once you make the thing accessible it is no
> longer an iPhone.  I may not be far enough outside the box, but even
> if the iPhone were made accessible then all of the apps would still
> not be.  It is the same issue with Firefox.  If Firefox wanted to be
> accessible, they would be!  From my understanding the mark-up is
> there.  The code for using it is free to the programmers and
> developers...  They just don't care to do it.
>       Shouldn't we be e-mail spamming Firefox to get with the program?
>
>
> Sean Richards Tikkun
> Apple Distinghuished Educator
> class of 2007
> jaq...@mac.com
>
>
>
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> On May 28, 2009, at 5:20 AM, Vicki Manley wrote:
>
>    
>> Hi,
>> That would be so ace if they brought out an accessible i phone!!!!
>> What a really great suggestion!!!
>> Best wishes,
>> Vicki.
>> On 28 May 2009, at 06:37, Ben King wrote:
>>
>>      
>>> Dear Mac Friends,
>>>
>>> I am writing you to let you know about an experience I had today at
>>> the University Village Apple Store in Seattle Washington.  The person
>>> that I spoke to was very nice and he asked me what I would like to
>>> see
>>> improved in regards to Voiceover.  I told him that Fire Fox would be
>>> nice with Voiceover support as well as maybe an accessible I Phone.
>>> Anyway, it was extremely nice for me to go into an Apple Store and
>>> play with main stream technology.  I love Voiceover as well as the
>>> Mac.  I hope you all have a nice evening.
>>> Blessings,
>>> Ben King
>>>
>>>        
>> >>
>>      
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>    
 From what I've heard the same fear was present when we moved to the 
gui, we will get to touch scereens as well I think.

Mike

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