Hi, Josh,
Phew, I think we agree too. [just don't say you
like Trek:OS better than TNG although your
earlier post about having an original
communicator wallpaper is alarming]. But
Yes your points make sense, but I'm seeing a
little misinformation on both the radical PC
right and radical MAc left. I'd hope my comments
are more moderate in nature. :) I just don't
think it does anyone any good if a realistic set
of pros and cons about the iPhone can't be laid
out without spin.
I can't comment on the stats about who would miss
the ability to keep a socket open in the
background. I suspect, given the nature of IT
management, it may be higher number than you
think. I for one miss it, but yet, I still
decided I could live without it. Do I whish I
could, darn yes, but then my iPhone isn't my
laptop or desktop. Although it's amazingly close.
My philosophy for discussing technology like this
is less on the tech stats, but rather asking the
lay question of "What problem are you trying to
solve?"" Then, showing how a given technology
can be made to solve it. Sometimes the answer is
yes that's easy, sometimes it's well, aren't you
really wanting to do this? and sometimes it's ah,
no, you can't do that easily because of xyz.
Cheers,
Scott
.
Well, as others have pointed out,
there is a very, very small number of uses for which the push notification is
not appropriate. However, as I said before, they've solved the vast majority of
issues
this way. I don't think we exactly disagree, but
I think that the number of users who will
actually be impacted by the limitations is
extremely small, and that even for a lot of those
who will be impacted, the pros will outweigh the
cons. What I'm try towork through are the
misconceptions, like Will Lomas put forth, that
you can't move back and forth between multiple
apps and essentially multi-task, and that point
has been lost in an argument about technicalities
that will effect less than a single percent of
users. LOL. Your battery issue is likewise the
same. It will impact a very, very tiny number of
users. That doesn't mean the problem doesn't
exist, but seeing it harped on about and latched
onto by the nay sayers as an excuse to downplay
the iPhone's advantages is frustrating.
I hope this makes sense. I have never said, and
would never say, that any device is perfect for
everyone. I think the iPhone is more than
adequate, and is in fact ideal, for a huge numbe
rof users, and that by arguing things like this
multi-tasking situation, you're confusing folks
like Will Lomas who would be just fine with an
iPhone, but think they won't because of
complaints about SSH and IRC.
Hope that makes more sense. :)
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On Jul 14, 2009, at 7:43 PM, Scott Bresnahan wrote:
Hi, Josh,
Take a closer look at what is possible via push in the APIs and you
may be surprised at how limiting it is. Your argument about Apple
solving the problem by introducing push is more marketing hype than
fact. At the core, you can't keep sockets open in the background
which many RFC standards like irc, ssh, telnet etc depend. Apple's
answer is well, rewrite the standard. That's not an answer. you
cant' just rewrite every server platform out there to support Apple's
whim of of a lame push notification method. If you're starting from
scratch today, writing a new client and server platform, then sure,
you can work around it. But there are a lot of pre existing
technologies that won't work no matter how the app is coded simply
because the problem is not with the client but the server piece the
client is meant to communicate with. But again, this isn't a problem
for most people, but only for those who need to multitask, like
keeping multiple sessions open at a time.
As for batteries, I agree that *most* people don't' have spare
batteries. However, just because you haven't met them doesn't mean
they don't exist. I had two spares back when I had an analog
StarTac, and I know a small fraction of people who still have spare
batteries for their phones today. Granted, these folks tend to like
Star Trek the original series vs tng, but I digress.... not to
mention I think they try to use their phones as laptops, but who am I
to argue their inefficiency. :)
.
I can't believe I'm arguing the devils advocate on this..... did I
mention I love my iPhone? But, it just doesn't do windows, so stop
pretending it does. lol
--Scott
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