Hi Hank,

I don't think that if you buy an app that turns out not to be VO  
friendly that the developer would necessarily refund the amount of  
purchase from the iTunes Store.  But you might contact the developer,  
O'Reilly Media in this case, and ask whether these book apps are  
accessible with VO on the iPhone.

Incidentally, if you're just looking for information on migrating from  
Windows, I'd guess that the Take Control book would work fine for  
you.  Reading is very easy under Preview, and you can go directly to  
the parts you're interested in.  I wouldn't know how VO treats ebooks  
in an app, or how you would navigate through links,  and search or  
jump to selected text on the iPhone.  The thing about the Take Control  
guides is that it's very easy to go in with a specific question and  
find an answer.  For that reason, even some people who don't like  
reading manuals like these guides.

HTH

Cheers,

Esther


On Aug 7, 2009, hank smith wrote:

>
> Hello
> thanks for this verry informative info
> one thing I am wondering if I purchase a iphone application and it
> isn't vo friendly am I out 4.95?
> how does something like that work with software apps?
> Hank
> On Aug 7, 2009, Esther wrote:
>
>>
>> Hi Hank,
>>
>> There's a version of "Switching to the Mac: The Missing Manual,
>> Leopard edition" from O'Reilly Media, Inc. that's available as an
>> iPhone app for $4.99:
>>
>> http://itunes.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewSoftware?id=325837189&mt=8
>>
>> I don't know whether this is accessible through VO on the iPhone.
>> From Josh's comments, the ebook versions that are offered through the
>> Stanza app interface aren't quite accessible to VO.  (I'm not quite
>> sure what he meant by his impression that they were "almost
>> accessible".)  However, many ebooks offered as stand-alone apps for
>> the iPhone do seem to be accessible.  That said, someone who has an
>> iPhone and is proficient with VO navigation would have to check out
>> how easy it is to navigate to the various chapters, search for text,
>> etc.
>>
>> There's also a version of Pogue's "iPhone: The Missing Manual, Third
>> Edition" that cover the iPhone 3GS available as an iPhone app for
>> $4.99:
>>
>> http://itunes.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewSoftware?id=324601015&mt=8
>>
>> When the last version was released, it was the top selling ebook over
>> the of a few weeks after it was released. I assume this book may be  
>> of
>> less use to VO users since it won't cover special tips for using the
>> VO gestures, but it will give general informtion.  Again, no
>> information about VO accessibility here.
>>
>> The reason I would love to know whether Stanza is or can be made
>> accessible to VoiceOver on the iPhone is that this is the major
>> competitor for ebook usage to the Kindle, and that there are tons of
>> both free and paid ebooks, all free of DRM, that can use this
>> interface.  I've read that some low vision users are using this app  
>> on
>> the iPhone.
>>
>> If you look in the list archives, you'll see recommendations to both
>> the O'Reilly books that are availble from Bookshare (including  
>> Pogue's
>> Missing Manual series -- not just the volume for switching from
>> Windows) and to the Take Control downloadable ebooks.  For example,
>> this November 2008 post even mentions "Switching to the Mac: The
>> Missing Manual, Leopard edition" as being of possible interest to  
>> list
>> members even though it was answering a point of someone who was  
>> coming
>> into the Mac from a linux background with a suggestion of another
>> O'Reilly book from Bookshare:
>>
>> http://www.mail-archive.com/discuss%40macvisionaries.com/ 
>> msg44372.html
>> (Mac OS X for Linux and Unix users)
>>
>> That post details the best way I've found to search for O'Reilly  
>> books
>> at Bookshare and also notes that all O'Reilly books are available to
>> international Bookshare users.  Since the material is supplied
>> directly from the publisher, who also maintains commercial on-line
>> versions of the book and sells these in (non-DRM) PDF and other ebook
>> formats, the content quality is high, and the available work is up to
>> date.  For Les, it's sometimes difficult to check the latest version
>> of a book on Bookshare; you should always click on the title link and
>> check the publish date. I usually also go directly to the O'Reilly
>> pages: http://www.oreilly.com  where you can also check whether a new
>> edition may be coming out.  Then I look for it in Bookshare.
>>
>> Another really excellent series are the "Take Control" books.   You
>> can try looking at their "Take Control of Switching to the Mac":
>>
>> http://www.takecontrolbooks.com/switching
>>
>> These are highly accessible guides in downloadable PDF format that
>> typically list for $10.  This format allows the authors to quickly
>> issue updates, and when you purchase a guide you can check for the
>> latest update and download it for free from the Web site until the
>> next major revision (a couple of years later).  Chances are, if  
>> you're
>> on the mailing list, they'll tell you when the next major release
>> comes out, and offer you a discount.  Their web site allows you to
>> download free samples of all their books, so you can see whether the
>> content and style is likely to match your needs. Navigation supports
>> links to relevant sections in Preview.
>>
>> HTH
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Esther
>>
>> P.S. I don't have any of the Windows related Take Control books, but
>> if I decided to install Fusion on my Mac, I would personally get  
>> their
>> Take Control of VMWare Fusion.
>>
>>
>>
>> hank smith wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> any other way to get it besides book share?
>>> On Aug 5, 2009, at 2:26 AM, Les Kriegler wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi Anna,
>>>>
>>>> Thanks very much for this resource.  I went to bookshare and  
>>>> grabbed
>>>> it and
>>>> will be reading it on my Icon BP.  I noticed there were 2 books,  
>>>> one
>>>> for
>>>> Tiger and one for Leopard which is the one I downloaded.  Sounds
>>>> like this
>>>> will be right up my alley!
>>>>
>>>> Les
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>
>>
>>>
>
>
> >


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