Hi,

I was just at an Apple Learning Tour event last week and let some of the folks 
see the frustrations with accessibility in some of the apps including iBooks.  
I agree that with Apple's push to have iBooks in the schools, they need to 
continue working on these downfalls.  I'm not making excuses, but, my 
experience says that these things don't happen at the speed of light like we 
would hope for.  Accessibility improvements tend to just gradually happen with 
no real advanced notice, which, of course, is Apple's way with most things.  We 
need to continue expressing the need to have these accessibility issues 
addressed and also continue sharing workarounds as, sometimes, these are the 
things that help people understand and improve on the accessibility issues.

Sorry, not much real help for you here.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On May 21, 2014, at 10:35 AM, Barry Hadder <[email protected]> wrote:

> Hi Mary,
> 
> First of all, the only useful selection in the radio group you mentioned is 
> the list.  Nothing else works well with vo.
> I'll go over some tricks I've found helpful in reading and navigating a book. 
>  First, I've found it helpful to turn off cursor tracking as the chapter 
> navigation does not work for some reason win focus is in the HTML content.
> Next, you can route the mouse to the scroll area and press vo-f5.  This will 
> read the book content that is actually being displayed.  Now you can move 
> from chapter to chapter with command-shift-left or command-shift-right.  When 
> you do this, the displayed content you read with vo-f5 will change.  You can 
> move vo directly to the displayed content for reading by routing it to the 
> mouse.  You actually could not do this in the first release, but they did fix 
> this.  Also, you won't have large chunks of text that vo won't read at all.
> 
> I agree with most of your comments about iBooks.  I think it really could and 
> should have been better.  I believe that it is currently in the best state 
> that it's been in however, and I am able to use it affectively in the way I 
> described.  I hope you find something I said useful keeping in mind that 
> while the methods work for me presently, there are glitches as always.
> 
> 
> On May 21, 2014, at 10:58 AM, Mary Otten <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> Having read on one of the lists I'm on, I think this one, but I might be 
> wrong, that accessibility to iBooks was somewhat improved with the recent 
> update, I have tried to get to grips with it, and have failed completely. 
> When I first opened the program, it offered to import my several hundred 
> books, and I said yes to that. I have reopened the program, and I have found 
> a series of radio buttons that let me select among collections, all books and 
> some other choices I don't recall. I picked collections, and I see a table 
> that has my collection names in it. If I select one and quit interacting, I 
> see absolutely no indication anywhere that I can actually access a list of 
> books, much less open one. I've been through the menus with no help. I've 
> been in preferences and found nothing useful. There are a few unlabeled 
> buttons that somebody suggested were easy to label. I'd like to know how, 
> since there are no hints associated with these. All in all, I find this 
> application to be totally frustrating and a really bad example of what I 
> thought was Apple's commitment to accessibility. Especially since they want 
> iBooks in schools, you'd think they'd have made this totally VO accessible. 
> 
> So, for those of you who find this application efficiently usable, please 
> tell me what I'm missing. Thanks.
> 
> Mary
> Mary Otten
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> 
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