Yes iOS 8.1 is a one way trip and no it is no longer possible to downgrade to 7.1.2 afterwards.
> On 26 Oct 2014, at 03:40, venky...@gmail.com wrote: > > So, if im correct, The upgrade to 8.1 (if i do it) will be a one way trip? > Is there any way to downgrade back to 7.1.2? > > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On 26-Oct-2014, at 7:10 am, Karen Lewellen <klewel...@shellworld.net> wrote: >> >> oh sure it does far more than generalizations and projective stereotyping. >> >> >>> On Sat, 25 Oct 2014, Cheree Heppe wrote: >>> >>> Situational thinking doesn't build bridges. >>> >>> Sent from my IPhone 4S >>> >>> On 25 Oct 2014, at 15:50, Karen Lewellen <klewel...@shellworld.net> wrote: >>> >>> Perhaps the problem begins by assuming that there is such a thing as "the >>> blind," uniformly using choosing and personifying a single individual. >>> There will be people who find the upgrade very wonderful for them, there >>> will be, are clearly, individuals who do not. >>> that has zero to do with blindness and 100% to do with individuality. A >>> fine thing thank you very much, its what makes us human and uniquely >>> interesting at a party. >>> I have a slightly silly but very sincere question...perhaps best addressed >>> to Sir. Tim off list. >>> Consider it to be rhetorical. >>> If you have a device that meets most of our needs, allowing you to compute >>> as you desire, why would you decide to upgrade to something that might not >>> meet your needs in the same way? and without being sure in advance you will >>> not lose ground? Especially since, as I understand it, downgrades are >>> well rather a challenge? >>> I am forthright about my alternative dictionary. still because I prefer a >>> steady reliable and firm tool...say like a hammer or screwdriver, I do not >>> personally decide I need to change my entire computer foundation unless >>> there are things I can no longer do with that foundation. >>> Speaking only for myself, which frankly goes for humans in general, I find >>> this a more practical way to keep things on target professionally. >>> The so called the blind should take what they are handed concept refers to >>> a nonexistent hypothetical entity that is totally interchangeable...at last >>> count having 400 million pairs of feet. if that does not sound like you, >>> make your own computer choices. >>> Just my far from the insider take, >>> Kare >>> >>> >>>> On Sat, 25 Oct 2014, Cheree Heppe wrote: >>>> >>>> What happens if we can't use more and more while sending fix requests? >>>> Didn't someone say a while back that the blind aren't a buying majority >>>> and should gratefully accept what we are handed? >>>> >>>> Sent from my IPhone 4S >>>> >>>> On 25 Oct 2014, at 15:03, Shawn Krasniuk <bbssh...@icloud.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi. Well said Tim. Nothing good will come if we're not reasonable. For >>>> example, when I received the first public beta of Yosemite, for some >>>> reason Text Edit wouldn't open any files ending with the .docx extension. >>>> I immediately launched the Feedback Assistant app and reported this bug to >>>> Apple. Another bug that was present in the beta, and I don't know if it's >>>> still present today, is when clicking the lock to make changes in the >>>> security tab to allow apps to open that haven't been downloaded from the >>>> App Store, my choice was ignored after the fact I made the change. If that >>>> bug is still present today, I won't be sitting here moaning to you guys >>>> that it's still present and basically bashing Apple because let's face it, >>>> that would be a waste of mine and your time, and might make some people >>>> laugh or maybe angry. Instead, I'll be sending an email to Apple or if we >>>> can still use it even though this isn't a beta, I'll use the Feedback >>>> Assistant to report the bug. >>>> Another point that Tim made is about Apple's commitment to accessibility. >>>> I don't think that it has slid at all. In my 4 years that I've used Apple >>>> products, (4 years on November 3rd), I find accessibility about the same >>>> or a bit better. First I bought this MacBook, then the iPod Nanno, then >>>> the iTouch 4, the iPhone 4, 4S, and now 5S. All these devices have done >>>> pretty much all I've wanted them to do. And guess what. My next computer >>>> if this white MacBook goes down the crapper or if Yosemite will be the >>>> last operating system I can upgrade to will probably be a MacBook Air >>>> because I know Apple products can get what I need to be accomplished done. >>>> And also like I said in a previous thread, PC's and I don't get along. :) >>>> >>>> Shawn >>>> Sent From My White MacBook >>>> >>>>> On Oct 25, 2014, at 2:03 PM, Pamela Francis <gypsykitt...@gmail.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hi Tim, >>>>> Your position is fair. I don't disagree, other thanThe complaints being >>>>> registered within bothIOS and Yosemite concern the apps that are >>>>> shipped on each respective product. Do we not have reasonable >>>>> expectation for the same accessibility for the stock apps included within >>>>> Apple OS be it OS 10 or iOS eight? That's my only question. Thanks much >>>>> >>>>> Pam Francis >>>>> >>>>> On Oct 25, 2014, at 1:19 PM, Tim Kilburn <kilbu...@me.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hi Cheri and All, >>>>> >>>>> In my opinion, you have made some inaccurate assertions here. The >>>>> quality of the voices that you’ve expressed is likely due to your iDevice >>>>> defaulting back to the low quality, non-enhanced version of the voices. >>>>> Normal behaviour during the update process. If you download the enhanced >>>>> version of your preferred voice, you’ll find the quality is as good or >>>>> better than it was in iOS 7. The download can be achieved in the >>>>> Settings, General Accessibility, VoiceOver under the Speech section. >>>>> Switching between voices is the same as it was in iOS 7 when your >>>>> Language preferences are included in the Rotor, which is also configured >>>>> in the same area outlined earlier. Regarding the descriptions of >>>>> Wallpaper etc, I didn’t notice this and it is disappointing from an >>>>> accessibility point of view. >>>>> >>>>> Regarding yours and others opinions on Apple’s commitment to >>>>> accessibility, over-exaggeration and inaccurate accusations or >>>>> assumptions usually don’t go very far. For example, I had a co-worker >>>>> that used to put in Work Orders to our Maintenance department saying that >>>>> it was so cold in the room that things were freezing to the floor and >>>>> other surfaces. Maintenance came over right away and determined that it >>>>> was a few degrees colder than she liked. In future Work Orders, she was >>>>> not given near the priority attention that she originally received due to >>>>> her tendency for over-blowing a situation. While our desires for >>>>> accessibility to be perfect and to never get broken in an update is fair, >>>>> it’s not likely going to be realized in all cases. Any OS, be it iOS, >>>>> MacOS, Chrome-OS or even Windows is a complex, interdependent interaction >>>>> between processes. Sometimes the fixing of one factor breaks another. >>>>> Sometimes it takes a bit of work by the software engineers to figure out >>>>> how to make certain things work properly together. Even with >>>>> beta-testers galore, not every glitch is found out prior to release. >>>>> This sort of thing happens whether it’s an accessibility feature or just >>>>> a regular part of the user experience. >>>>> >>>>> For example, tearing into Apple about them changing the look and feel of >>>>> iTunes and claiming that they have broken accessibility is an inaccurate >>>>> statement. The actual accessibility of iTunes hasn’t changed at all, >>>>> what has changed is how we access the various features. How easy it is >>>>> for you to manage the changes is not a factor of accessibility, it may be >>>>> a level of comfort or ease of use factor, but accessibility in the manner >>>>> that VO users use the term has to do with elements being visible and/or >>>>> usable. The device accessibility market is by no means particularly >>>>> mature at this point in time, so, I’d venture to say that any device we >>>>> put in our hands will have good and bad with respect to accessibility. >>>>> Android this, Windows that, Apple thing-a-ma-bobber and whoever’s talking >>>>> which-a-macall-it all work to some respect but have limitations and/or >>>>> frustrations. No point in dissing Apple, Google or windows for that >>>>> matter, it’s unproductive. >>>>> >>>>> So, after all this, I guess what I’m saying is continue submitting bug >>>>> reports and feature requests, and, expect for them to be addressed but be >>>>> reasonable. >>>>> bug reports should be clear, expressing the facts of the issue, outlining >>>>> how and where it occurs, certainly they can include how it affects your >>>>> productivity but exaggeration and accusation need not be a part. >>>>> Progress is occurring, will continue to occur and is necessary. >>>>> >>>>> That’s my rant for the week. Have a good day all. >>>>> >>>>> Later… >>>>> >>>>> Tim Kilburn >>>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada >>>>> >>>>>> On Oct 25, 2014, at 9:19 AM, Cheree Heppe <che...@dogsc4me.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Cheree Heppe here: >>>>>> Even with the problems listed over a wide range of applications, I >>>>>> updated one of my iOS devices last night. If what I am learning about >>>>>> 8.1 is symptomatic, I think blind users can kiss good Apple access >>>>>> good-bye. >>>>>> One area: I remember getting my first iPhone and, in extreme skepticism >>>>>> and with the half-done, JAWS and PC based accessibility as a precursor >>>>>> experience, decided to find out whether the Wallpapers section gave >>>>>> access, or merely lip service to Universal Design. >>>>>> How amazed and delight I felt when each photo featured an artistic and >>>>>> pleasing description of the photo. The description didnt just say photo >>>>>> dot png or stick in woods dot whatever, these descriptions went that >>>>>> extra step that separates accessibility wannabees from practitioners of >>>>>> Universal Design. >>>>>> In 8.1, I opened the Brightness and Wallpapers section on my iPad 2. >>>>>> Every photo gave those hald done, cursury, non-descriptive labels >>>>>> characterized by no info, ugly word choice to mirror the photo and the >>>>>> png ending, just to make sure anybody who cant see the png knows this >>>>>> isnt for them. >>>>>> It is my intention to cancel my order for an upgraded iPhone 6 and not >>>>>> to upgrade to iOS 8 point anything. >>>>>> The voices on iOS 8 point whatever sound modified. They sound >>>>>> artificial and there is no longer the ease of switching between voices. >>>>>> Switching between voices has now become a secret process, or, at least, >>>>>> unavailable to me, a blind user. >>>>>> My thoughts, but, I am leaning toward making a change before the whole >>>>>> archology goes south. >>>>>> >>>>>> Sad and very disappointed. Aple has had access to some really >>>>>> discerning, brilliant blind users who could give really cogent advice in >>>>>> the best user mode. I guess that isnt who is being listened to. >>>>>> >>>>>> Careless, sloppy, inattention to detail. Disregard for user specific >>>>>> needs. >>>>>> >>>>>> Very sad. >>>>>> >>>>>> Bye-bye. >>>>>> >>>>>> Regards, >>>>>> Cheree Heppe >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent from my IPhone 4S >>>>>> >>>>>> On 25 Oct 2014, at 1:26, venky...@gmail.com wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Its disappointing to know that the issues are not fixed in 8.1. >>>>>> Thanks. >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>> >>>>>>> On 23-Oct-2014, at 4:34 am, Jessica Moss <junglebookfa...@gmail.com> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I had those same issues with my 4S, which I unfortunately didn't >>>>>>> realize I was going to before I updated it, due to the fact that it's >>>>>>> an older phone, and actually had no idea you could downgrade again, so >>>>>>> you did the right thing doing that, sense you were going to have a >>>>>>> rough time of it unless you plan on upgrading your phone any time soon. >>>>>>>> On Oct 22, 2014, at 1:31 AM, Venkatesh Potluri <venky...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi list, >>>>>>>> I am using a 16GB iPhone 4S. I updated to iOs 8 and had a lot of >>>>>>>> issues so had to downgrade back to 7.1. My phone got a lot slower, >>>>>>>> apps like whatsapp and messenger kept constantly crashing and VO >>>>>>>> randomly restarts it self. i had many accidental touches, accidental >>>>>>>> calls, etc. I wish to know if these issues have been resolved in 8.1. >>>>>>>> Another major reason for me wanting to upgrade is the Flecksy >>>>>>>> keyboard. How good is it? I read that there are still problems using >>>>>>>> it. are there any show stopper bugs? Is the Looktel money reader >>>>>>>> working fine in 8.1? >>>>>>>> Thank you. >>>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>>> Venkatesh Potluri >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>>>>> an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >>>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>>>> an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>> Visit 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