Hi Shawn, Thanks for your input.
Sometimes it's good to see where this corporate behaviour is going. Are you hitting the spot completely? Am I right? Who cares? Essentially there's an interest, and there is creating the environment to facilitate the idea. Yuma Antoine Decaux "Light has no value without darkness" Mob: +612102277190 Skype: Shainobi1 twitter: http://www.twitter.com/triple7 > On 6/01/2015, at 8:10 pm, Sean Murphy <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hi all, > > > I have to go against the grain. If you think Apple or any other vendor is > going to spend time on building a non-graphical environment as outlined on > this thread. It will not occur due to no market. We are .5% of the market > thus there is no business requirement for them and they will not get their > ROI. > > The CLI on the Mac does provide text base applications if you like to learn. > people like things to be easy, thus why we have GUI now. > > Sean > On 3 Jan 2015, at 5:19 am, Yuma Antoine Decaux <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > >> >> Where and when is the nFB? I heard a few conflicting ideas about the >> organisation. But I would take the momentum to engage the voice. >> >> Cheers, >> >> Yuma Antoine Decaux >> "Light has no value without darkness" >> Mob: +612102277190 >> Skype: Shainobi1 >> twitter: http://www.twitter.com/triple7 <http://www.twitter.com/triple7> >> >> >> >> >>> On 2/01/2015, at 12:59 pm, Joanne Chua <[email protected] >>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>> >>> What about if we start asking Apple to make some products that is >>> specificly for voiceover, and don't worry about GPU at all hey? Won't >>> it be great? Maybe, someone might want to bring this up on this year >>> NFB convention? >>> >>> On 02/01/2015, Yuma Antoine Decaux <[email protected] >>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> What I'm trying to induce here is the sense that no matter the graphic >>>> outline, everything starts graphicsless and elements are pulled out of the >>>> lower layers, such as kernel, login daemons etc. The graphics layer itself >>>> cannot be omitted since it is also the core of a lot of coco frameworks >>>> which voice over relies on. >>>> >>>> However, when I say graphcsless, I mean to place to a minimum all of the >>>> animations and flash and graphics that appear. I would easily visualise a >>>> UI >>>> which borders, buttons and everything else are just placeholders with plain >>>> black and borders that don't load images. No background image, no >>>> transition >>>> animations, no stupid bouncing apps that go "hey I'm here" etc etc. This >>>> can >>>> free up ressources and reserve them for voice over itself. >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> >>>> >>>> Yuma Antoine Decaux >>>> "Light has no value without darkness" >>>> Mob: +612102277190 >>>> Skype: Shainobi1 >>>> twitter: http://www.twitter.com/triple7 <http://www.twitter.com/triple7> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> On 2/01/2015, at 10:03 am, Jason White <[email protected] >>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> BobH. <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>>>> I think a lot of us have said for a good while, that modern 'puters are >>>>>> 99% >>>>>> eye candy or effects; and maybe as much as 1% real work, though doubt >>>>>> it. >>>>>> >>>>>> DOS worked so well, cos it did none of that. Boring to the sighted, but >>>>>> >>>>>> even they were more focussed on getting real info in or out and not just >>>>>> >>>>>> there to play with it. >>>>>> >>>>>> So, yes, a cutToTheQwik system that took us back to doing the stuff >>>>>> we're >>>>>> doing, without all the other overhead, would have some use; can think of >>>>>> >>>>>> professional areas where it would be saleable for it's simplicity; but >>>>>> doubt it's going to happen. >>>>> >>>>> It's already happening. If you work primarily from the Linux console >>>>> (just >>>>> using the GUI for tasks that require it, e.g., Web browsing), you >>>>> essentially >>>>> have what you've described. >>>>> >>>>> this can't be done in the same way under OS X, which always loads a >>>>> graphical >>>>> desktop environment. >>>>> >>>>> I'm writing this message from a Linux virtual terminal. >>>>> >>>>> So far as the two operating systems are concerned, there are some >>>>> applications >>>>> for which I like to use OS X, but it's my Linux laptop that I'm using >>>>> most >>>>> often at home just now, even though the Macbook is newer. >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>>>> email to [email protected] >>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected] >>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>. >>>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries >>>>> <http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries>. >>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout >>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/optout>. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>>> email to [email protected] >>>> <mailto:[email protected]>. >>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected] >>>> <mailto:[email protected]>. >>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries >>>> <http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries>. >>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout >>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/optout>. >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>> email to [email protected] >>> <mailto:[email protected]>. >>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected] >>> <mailto:[email protected]>. >>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries >>> <http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries>. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout >>> <https://groups.google.com/d/optout>. >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries >> <http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries>. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout >> <https://groups.google.com/d/optout>. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries > <http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries>. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout > <https://groups.google.com/d/optout>. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. 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