Hi! Is it cobra screenreader you mean? That one excists and is in my opinion the absolute best screenreader from a braille users perspective. /A > 7 jan 2015 kl. 02:13 skrev Sean Murphy <[email protected]>: > > If people want to do an open source solution of what have been outlined here, > go for it. I would be very interested to see if anyone would take it up. A > lot of work. There was a screen reader on the windows which used a tree view > like structure to navigate the GUI. It was a German product from memory. > Don’t know if it still exists and it was removing the visual aspects away > from the vision impaired person. A very interesting concept. > > The Orca people haven’t gone in this direction either. This would be one > environment the described concept could be tested in to see if it could be > achieved. > > I don’t have the programming skills to help here. > > > Sean > > > On 7 Jan 2015, at 12:44 am, Yuma Antoine Decaux <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > >> Hi Shawn, >> >> Thanks for your input. >> >> Sometimes it's good to see where this corporate behaviour is going. Are you >> hitting the spot completely? Am I right? Who cares? Essentially there's an >> interest, and there is creating the environment to facilitate the idea. >> >> >> Yuma Antoine Decaux >> "Light has no value without darkness" >> Mob: +612102277190 >> Skype: Shainobi1 >> twitter: http://www.twitter.com/triple7 <http://www.twitter.com/triple7> >> >> >> >> >>> On 6/01/2015, at 8:10 pm, Sean Murphy <[email protected] >>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>> >>> Hi all, >>> >>> >>> I have to go against the grain. If you think Apple or any other vendor is >>> going to spend time on building a non-graphical environment as outlined on >>> this thread. It will not occur due to no market. We are .5% of the market >>> thus there is no business requirement for them and they will not get their >>> ROI. >>> >>> The CLI on the Mac does provide text base applications if you like to >>> learn. people like things to be easy, thus why we have GUI now. >>> >>> Sean >>> On 3 Jan 2015, at 5:19 am, Yuma Antoine Decaux <[email protected] >>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> Where and when is the nFB? I heard a few conflicting ideas about the >>>> organisation. But I would take the momentum to engage the voice. >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> >>>> Yuma Antoine Decaux >>>> "Light has no value without darkness" >>>> Mob: +612102277190 >>>> Skype: Shainobi1 >>>> twitter: http://www.twitter.com/triple7 <http://www.twitter.com/triple7> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> On 2/01/2015, at 12:59 pm, Joanne Chua <[email protected] >>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> What about if we start asking Apple to make some products that is >>>>> specificly for voiceover, and don't worry about GPU at all hey? Won't >>>>> it be great? Maybe, someone might want to bring this up on this year >>>>> NFB convention? >>>>> >>>>> On 02/01/2015, Yuma Antoine Decaux <[email protected] >>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>>>> Hi, >>>>>> >>>>>> What I'm trying to induce here is the sense that no matter the graphic >>>>>> outline, everything starts graphicsless and elements are pulled out of >>>>>> the >>>>>> lower layers, such as kernel, login daemons etc. The graphics layer >>>>>> itself >>>>>> cannot be omitted since it is also the core of a lot of coco frameworks >>>>>> which voice over relies on. >>>>>> >>>>>> However, when I say graphcsless, I mean to place to a minimum all of the >>>>>> animations and flash and graphics that appear. I would easily visualise >>>>>> a UI >>>>>> which borders, buttons and everything else are just placeholders with >>>>>> plain >>>>>> black and borders that don't load images. No background image, no >>>>>> transition >>>>>> animations, no stupid bouncing apps that go "hey I'm here" etc etc. This >>>>>> can >>>>>> free up ressources and reserve them for voice over itself. >>>>>> >>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Yuma Antoine Decaux >>>>>> "Light has no value without darkness" >>>>>> Mob: +612102277190 >>>>>> Skype: Shainobi1 >>>>>> twitter: http://www.twitter.com/triple7 <http://www.twitter.com/triple7> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> On 2/01/2015, at 10:03 am, Jason White <[email protected] >>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> BobH. <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>>>>>> I think a lot of us have said for a good while, that modern 'puters are >>>>>>>> 99% >>>>>>>> eye candy or effects; and maybe as much as 1% real work, though doubt >>>>>>>> it. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> DOS worked so well, cos it did none of that. Boring to the sighted, >>>>>>>> but >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> even they were more focussed on getting real info in or out and not >>>>>>>> just >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> there to play with it. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> So, yes, a cutToTheQwik system that took us back to doing the stuff >>>>>>>> we're >>>>>>>> doing, without all the other overhead, would have some use; can think >>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> professional areas where it would be saleable for it's simplicity; but >>>>>>>> doubt it's going to happen. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It's already happening. If you work primarily from the Linux console >>>>>>> (just >>>>>>> using the GUI for tasks that require it, e.g., Web browsing), you >>>>>>> essentially >>>>>>> have what you've described. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> this can't be done in the same way under OS X, which always loads a >>>>>>> graphical >>>>>>> desktop environment. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I'm writing this message from a Linux virtual terminal. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> So far as the two operating systems are concerned, there are some >>>>>>> applications >>>>>>> for which I like to use OS X, but it's my Linux laptop that I'm using >>>>>>> most >>>>>>> often at home just now, even though the Macbook is newer. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>> Groups >>>>>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>>>> an >>>>>>> email to [email protected] >>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>. >>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected] >>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>. >>>>>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries >>>>>>> <http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries>. >>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout >>>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/optout>. >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>>>>> email to [email protected] >>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>. >>>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected] >>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>. >>>>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries >>>>>> <http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries>. >>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout >>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/optout>. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>>>> email to [email protected] >>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected] >>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>. >>>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries >>>>> <http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries>. >>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout >>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/optout>. >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>>> email to [email protected] >>>> <mailto:[email protected]>. >>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected] >>>> <mailto:[email protected]>. >>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries >>>> <http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries>. >>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout >>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/optout>. >>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>> email to [email protected] >>> <mailto:[email protected]>. >>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected] >>> <mailto:[email protected]>. >>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries >>> <http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries>. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout >>> <https://groups.google.com/d/optout>. >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries >> <http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries>. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout >> <https://groups.google.com/d/optout>. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries > <http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries>. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout > <https://groups.google.com/d/optout>.
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