Microsoft UIA also has properties associated with a specific control. Sent from my iPhone
> On Jan 6, 2015, at 11:08 PM, Yuma Antoine Decaux <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hi Devin, > > This is exactly how the program is structured. In trees. Theres nothing new > there. Nothing changes to the way you handle things. It’s just graphicsless. > the actions and moving are the same. > > And I don’t think it’s about because it didn’t work then, it won’t now. > Different techniques are applied now, the major players, jaws, nvda and voice > over are tree structures. They all take from the lower layers of the > software, down to almost machine code. So the control is enormous. If in > sighted mode, its a tree with mathematical or algebraic sets, it’s obviously > the same with voice over except that you have a range of user interface > elements like buttons etc which have particular properties. Do you need a > graphic for that? No, just the boundaries of the object in space, which is > taken care of by the coco framework. > > Anyway, this is developer stuff I should find a developer group. > > Cheers, > > > > Yuma Antoine Decaux > "Light has no value without darkness" > Mob: +612102277190 > Skype: Shainobi1 > twitter: http://www.twitter.com/triple7 > > > > >> On 7/01/2015, at 11:21 am, Devin Prater <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Well that's the main problem, that there is rarely any programming group >> interested in that. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Jan 6, 2015, at 7:13 PM, Sean Murphy <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> If people want to do an open source solution of what have been outlined >>> here, go for it. I would be very interested to see if anyone would take it >>> up. A lot of work. There was a screen reader on the windows which used a >>> tree view like structure to navigate the GUI. It was a German product from >>> memory. Don’t know if it still exists and it was removing the visual >>> aspects away from the vision impaired person. A very interesting concept. >>> >>> The Orca people haven’t gone in this direction either. This would be one >>> environment the described concept could be tested in to see if it could be >>> achieved. >>> >>> I don’t have the programming skills to help here. >>> >>> >>> Sean >>> >>> >>>> On 7 Jan 2015, at 12:44 am, Yuma Antoine Decaux <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi Shawn, >>>> >>>> Thanks for your input. >>>> >>>> Sometimes it's good to see where this corporate behaviour is going. Are >>>> you hitting the spot completely? Am I right? Who cares? Essentially >>>> there's an interest, and there is creating the environment to facilitate >>>> the idea. >>>> >>>> >>>> Yuma Antoine Decaux >>>> "Light has no value without darkness" >>>> Mob: +612102277190 >>>> Skype: Shainobi1 >>>> twitter: http://www.twitter.com/triple7 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> On 6/01/2015, at 8:10 pm, Sean Murphy <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hi all, >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I have to go against the grain. If you think Apple or any other vendor is >>>>> going to spend time on building a non-graphical environment as outlined >>>>> on this thread. It will not occur due to no market. We are .5% of the >>>>> market thus there is no business requirement for them and they will not >>>>> get their ROI. >>>>> >>>>> The CLI on the Mac does provide text base applications if you like to >>>>> learn. people like things to be easy, thus why we have GUI now. >>>>> >>>>> Sean >>>>>> On 3 Jan 2015, at 5:19 am, Yuma Antoine Decaux <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Where and when is the nFB? I heard a few conflicting ideas about the >>>>>> organisation. But I would take the momentum to engage the voice. >>>>>> >>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>> >>>>>> Yuma Antoine Decaux >>>>>> "Light has no value without darkness" >>>>>> Mob: +612102277190 >>>>>> Skype: Shainobi1 >>>>>> twitter: http://www.twitter.com/triple7 >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> On 2/01/2015, at 12:59 pm, Joanne Chua <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> What about if we start asking Apple to make some products that is >>>>>>> specificly for voiceover, and don't worry about GPU at all hey? Won't >>>>>>> it be great? Maybe, someone might want to bring this up on this year >>>>>>> NFB convention? >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 02/01/2015, Yuma Antoine Decaux <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> What I'm trying to induce here is the sense that no matter the graphic >>>>>>>> outline, everything starts graphicsless and elements are pulled out of >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> lower layers, such as kernel, login daemons etc. The graphics layer >>>>>>>> itself >>>>>>>> cannot be omitted since it is also the core of a lot of coco frameworks >>>>>>>> which voice over relies on. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> However, when I say graphcsless, I mean to place to a minimum all of >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> animations and flash and graphics that appear. I would easily >>>>>>>> visualise a UI >>>>>>>> which borders, buttons and everything else are just placeholders with >>>>>>>> plain >>>>>>>> black and borders that don't load images. No background image, no >>>>>>>> transition >>>>>>>> animations, no stupid bouncing apps that go "hey I'm here" etc etc. >>>>>>>> This can >>>>>>>> free up ressources and reserve them for voice over itself. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Yuma Antoine Decaux >>>>>>>> "Light has no value without darkness" >>>>>>>> Mob: +612102277190 >>>>>>>> Skype: Shainobi1 >>>>>>>> twitter: http://www.twitter.com/triple7 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 2/01/2015, at 10:03 am, Jason White <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> BobH. <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> I think a lot of us have said for a good while, that modern 'puters >>>>>>>>>> are >>>>>>>>>> 99% >>>>>>>>>> eye candy or effects; and maybe as much as 1% real work, though >>>>>>>>>> doubt >>>>>>>>>> it. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> DOS worked so well, cos it did none of that. Boring to the sighted, >>>>>>>>>> but >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> even they were more focussed on getting real info in or out and not >>>>>>>>>> just >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> there to play with it. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> So, yes, a cutToTheQwik system that took us back to doing the stuff >>>>>>>>>> we're >>>>>>>>>> doing, without all the other overhead, would have some use; can >>>>>>>>>> think of >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> professional areas where it would be saleable for it's simplicity; >>>>>>>>>> but >>>>>>>>>> doubt it's going to happen. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> It's already happening. If you work primarily from the Linux console >>>>>>>>> (just >>>>>>>>> using the GUI for tasks that require it, e.g., Web browsing), you >>>>>>>>> essentially >>>>>>>>> have what you've described. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> this can't be done in the same way under OS X, which always loads a >>>>>>>>> graphical >>>>>>>>> desktop environment. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I'm writing this message from a Linux virtual terminal. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> So far as the two operating systems are concerned, there are some >>>>>>>>> applications >>>>>>>>> for which I like to use OS X, but it's my Linux laptop that I'm using >>>>>>>>> most >>>>>>>>> often at home just now, even though the Macbook is newer. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>>> Groups >>>>>>>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>>>> send an >>>>>>>>> email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >>>>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>> Groups >>>>>>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>>>>> an >>>>>>>> email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >>>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>>>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>>>> email to [email protected]. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>>> email to [email protected]. >>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>> email to [email protected]. >>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. 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