Not exactly. When Berkeley Systems went bankrupt, Alva bought Outspoken during 
the assets sale for a good price because they wanted the Windows code. They let 
the Mac version die immediately and ported the windows code into their own 
projects.

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
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> On 31 Mar 2015, at 20:57, Krister Ekstrom <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> I was under the impression that Berkeley systems got bought by Alva and, this 
> is my own theory, they, Alva were more interested in Outspoken for Windows 
> than they were of the mac version. Am i correct in any of this?
> /Krister
> 
>> 30 mar 2015 kl. 21:53 skrev David Chittenden <[email protected]>:
>> 
>> Hello,
>> 
>> Apple attempted to get Freedom Scientific to create a screen reader for OSX. 
>> FS refused, so Apple took development in-house.
>> 
>> Berkeley Systems was a small company. I visited their offices once in the 
>> mid 90's. I suspect Apple did not wish to use a small group for screen 
>> reader development again after Berkeley Systems went out-of-business.
>> 
>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>> Email: [email protected]
>> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
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>> 
>>> On 31 Mar 2015, at 07:37, Anne Robertson <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello,
>>> 
>>>> On 30 Mar 2015, at 19:26, Todor Fassl <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Correct me if I'm wrong but the reason Apple developed voiceover in the 
>>>> first place was that the only  company making a screen reader for Mac OS 
>>>> went out of business. If that company couldn't survive before voiceover, 
>>>> it certainly couldn't survive now.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I was already a Mac user back when OS X first came out and Alva Access 
>>> Group was still in business and wanted to make a screenReader for OS X. 
>>> However, Apple would not give them access to the necessary information and 
>>> it was a few years before it became clear that Apple had decided to make 
>>> its own screen reader.
>>> 
>>> Along with quite a few other blind Mac users, I was unable to progress 
>>> beyond OS9 and in fact remained with OS 8 as it was still working for me.
>>> 
>>> I protested vociferously to Apple about the lack of a screen reader and 
>>> jumped on the public beta of VoiceOver in the summer of 2004. It was then 
>>> known as the Spoken Interface.
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> 
>>> Anne
>>> 
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