Voiceover is the only screen reader for the macf? Awe, come on! don't you wanna use Outspoken? LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL! ROFL! Now I'm! the one being the smart ass. LOL!
Chris. --- Check out my web site at: http://www.clgproductions.net ----- Original Message ----- From: Krister Ekstrom To: [email protected] Sent: Monday, March 30, 2015 10:40 AM Subject: Re: starting to get irritated by IOS 8 But isn’t Voiceover the best screen reader in the world?:-) Smiles No but seriously, isn’t it because the screen readers we love those that suits our need the best, if you see what i’m trying to say? Every screen reader has its pros and cons but the screen reader that I use, everybody says is the one that fits my bill. On the windows side i’ve tested i think all the major screen readers and i chose different ones for different tasks. On the mac, there’s only Voiceover, but without fully understanding what i’m talking about i say that the Mac platform is different than the windows one. For me personally with my workflow, VO does what i want it to do therefore i think it’s good. If i was using braille i could have hoped for a braille cursor that made braille work independently of speech, because that’s the way i’m used to working, but i don’t use braille at the moment. /Krister 30 mar 2015 kl. 16:18 skrev Todor Fassl <[email protected]>: My experience is that few people are willing to discuss screen readers rationally. I find it disturbing that so many people are absolutely certain that their choice of screen reader was the right one and anyone who disagrees is ignorant or stupid. I’ve been contemplating the idea of starting a screen-reader neutral list for discussing this. But, of course, nobody would join because everyone already knows their choice was the right one. On Mar 29, 2015, at 6:20 PM, BBS <[email protected]> wrote: I'm with you man. I was there for a few years and got tired of the daily/hourly drama there. I don't care if my account there gets hacked or suspended. I have a bad reputation over there for being the poor little blind guy that can't afford Jaws. Well now I have a Mac so I don't care if I don't have enough money for Jaws. Voiceover on the Mac and iPhone beats Jaws any day. Shawn Sent From My White Macbook ----- Original Message ----- From: Christopher-Mark Gilland To: [email protected] Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2015 1:44 PM Subject: Re: starting to get irritated by IOS 8 Shawn, This is why I won't promote and flat out refuse to go to the zone bbs. chris. --- Check out my web site at: http://www.clgproductions.net ----- Original Message ----- From: Shawn Krasniuk To: [email protected] Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2015 2:16 AM Subject: Re: starting to get irritated by IOS 8 Chris, Mario kinda reminds me of another person on another mailing list named Pablo Morales. Both of them like to complain about issues that most of us aren't experiencing. The thing is, Apple must be doing something right if blind and sighted people keep buying their products. And sure, there are bugs, but I along with a hand full of blind beta testers are working hard to make iOS 8.3 and OS X Yosemite the best it can be. As for Mario's questionable language, surprisingly, I'm not offended. I just laughed at it because it shows how childish this person really is, so it was entertaining for me. But on a serious note, this ain't the Zone BBS or it's mailing list, so I agree with others that the swearing temper tantrum isn't appropriate for a *Family* mailing list and should be dealt with. Shawn Sent From My White MacBook On Mar 28, 2015, at 3:34 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland <[email protected]> wrote: Donna, What bothers me mostly about this entire thread is that those unlike you, and the Believer, etc. will not present the list with any rock-solid examples of how things are still broken. How must one expect us to believe them if they won't even back up their comments with anything worthwhile. Chris. --- Check out my web site at: http://www.clgproductions.net ----- Original Message ----- From: Donna Goodin To: [email protected] Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2015 9:19 AM Subject: Re: starting to get irritated by IOS 8 I have to agree with the believer, here. I don't know what you guys are talking about. Many of Yuma's comments are about whether Apple is still on the cutting edge. I agree that Tim Cook and Johnny Ives aren't the visionaries that Steve Jobs was, there's no question about that. But in terms of the actual products, I've got IOS 8.2 on my phone, and I actually find Voiceover to be more responsive than with IOS 8.0, so it seems pretty clear to me that they made some accessibility improvements. I'm running Yosemite on my MBA, and am happy with that as well. I don't feel in anyway that accessibility is being pushed off to the side. Are there things that could be improved, absolutely. But Apple is still doing a better job than any other company of building native accessibility into its products. I had to use Windows 8 at my old job, and I can say truthfully it'd be a cold day in hell before I switch back to a PC. I haven't used an Android phone since 2010, and I'm sure the landscape there has changed significantly since then. But when I did try it, the experience did not bring me joy. This is just my experience, and as such, it is not intended to invalidate the experiences of anyone who may actually be having problems, just to say that not all of us are. Don't know why some would be while others aren't, but perhaps that is the case. Best, Donna On Mar 28, 2015, at 8:01 AM, mário navarro <[email protected]> wrote: man, why you are so stupid? you work for apple? apple pay all your debts at the end of the month? apple solves all your problems of accessibility in the voice over? yes, because only you have no accessibility problems in your iPhone ... shut your mouth and respect the people in the group ... Em 28/03/2015 02:04, Christopher-Mark Gilland escreveu: All of the nightmarish things that happened with I O S 8 in the beginning have pretty much been fixed. I run I O S 8.2 on all of my devices, including my IPad Air first generation, and all is very very smoothe. I really don't have any issues any longer. OK, in Safari, on huge web pages, sometimes the item chooser will crap the bed, but even that is becoming more and more rare, and the main web site where I see this happen, is a major exception, as that page literally speaking has over 12 thousand links on it. Sorry, I'm not at liberty to go into what this site is, you're just gonna have to trust me with this. Chris. --- Check out my web site at: http://www.clgproductions.net ----- Original Message ----- From: Jon Solitro To: [email protected] Sent: Friday, March 27, 2015 8:38 PM Subject: Re: starting to get irritated by IOS 8 The app is called WritePad. I can't attest to the functionality as I haven't been able to download it yet. I know that many apps need ios 8. I'm justwondering if it is worth it ot upgrade. In the past when I've upgraded, Voice Over tends to run slower. How is it now? Should I upgrade? Sent from my iPad On Mar 27, 2015, at 2:17 PM, "george b" <[email protected]> wrote: What is the name of the hand writing reconigation app I am interested in this please. thanks From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jon Solitro Sent: Friday, March 27, 2015 10:54 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: starting to get irritated by IOS 8 I still haven't upgraded to iOs 8 on my iPad 2. I'm still running iOs 7. I found a handwriting recognition app that needs iOs 8 to install. Should I update, or can I expect slower operation? On Wednesday, October 15, 2014 at 3:38:48 PM UTC-4, Yuma Decaux wrote: Hi all, I don’t know about yall, but I have an iphone 6 with IOS 8 and I have to say that the experience is less than stellar. Bugs everywhere, slower than on my iphone 5s, siri cut off midway then voice over not working, hang like slowness when getting out of an app. I have to say that I have started looking for alternatives as I feel like apple is trying to nudge things too much into the “let big brother figure out for you what you should like and do”. Point in case, that U2 debacle. Last weekend I was camping with some mates and I was going through some tracks after lunch, and those damn U2 tracks kept popping up like annoying ads. Really don’t want some band pushing their crap on my life experience when I shelled out 1200 dollars for a phone that is supposed to do things for me. Not the other way around. Sure, U2 has some great songs. But their current 50’s midlife crisis moans aren’t my style, nor inspire me. I can listen to that when I go into an apple store and wait for a genius to tell me my future. Seriously folks, I’m not just going off on a rant, and for those of you who want to reply by being defensive for apple, just remember a few basic things: 1-You are customer. Customer is king, you are not serving apple. Apple makes money off you, take 30 percent of the cut on your music production or app developement with their platform. They serve you. Not the other way around. 2-Apple is not god almighty. Apple has great people that collectively create experiences. At the helm, a few individuals decide on the direction of that experience. Personally, I don’t trust Tim Cook that much in giving us a good experience. That Johnny Ive sounds like a pompous marketing guy with design skills I cannot trust as head of human interface, a software division, coming from someone who used to make toilet seats. The only one or ones I can trust in this are frederici and some of the younger engineers presented at the last apple showcase. but they don’t have enough say yet, so we’re stuck with all that flash graphical transition animation style crap instead of truly clean, efficient and snappy interfaces. 3-There are other choices out there, but I have no idea what. Sometimes I wish I was sighted again so that I can really be part of the process of creating real interfaces for everyone. It’s frustrating to know that most companies follow what is standard and forget that standards are meant to be broken and updated. Not broken at the cost of the buyer, no. If it’s broken, it should be free, such as what google offers. Buying a 3000 dollar piece of hardware to get clunky experiences and moments where you want to throw that damn thing out the window and never touch it again is clearly not what I call good experience on a computer. More and more of my friends, mac users, both sighted and visually impaired, agree with me that apple is starting to rot in terms of presenting it’s image. It’s not an underdog but a huge bulky oil tanker that can now only manuver slowly with a battalion of lawyers behind murmuring at the chief’s ears, the latter being probably more complacent than should be, thus giving us this weird awkward show each year now with a barely straight talking TIm Cook who sounds like he never had a girl friend chill time or something seems amiss in him. Some soul? Something. Whatever the case, I don’t really dig the style apple is portraying. It’s becoming a disney world presentation with oooohs and aaahs when the tech behind is quite literally lagging. No visionary stuff, when this qualification should by now, from all the sci fi, the research and the graduations of bright people, should lead us much farther in terms of actual interaction with a computer, and let’s not forget screen readers. 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