Hey everyone, I wanted to make a few points.


First of all, Adobe claims that it is about to come out with the first ever 
mac app that will give voice over users full access to tagged pdfs. You can 
read more about it at the following link. 

https://blogs.adobe.com/accessibility/2015/03/acrobat-dc-accessibility-update.html

The update will be out in less then thirty days.

Secondly, while it is true that PDF pin is the most accessible way to fill 
out forms on the mac, it is not true that it is the only way. It is 
possible for voice over users to use the current adobe reader mac app to 
fill out forms. I gave a detailed description of how to do this on an apple 
vis form post, hear is the link.

http://www.applevis.com/forum/os-x-mac-app-discussion/how-fill-out-pdf-forms-adobe-reader-mac

I also posted about the adobe update on apple vis last week, but that post 
did not seem to get much attention. 

Thirdly dealing with pdfs with tables. The previous poster is right that 
the best option on the mac is to convert the pdf file to an html file. You 
can then read the html file in Safari, just as you would read a web page. I 
have done this hundreds of times for school stuff. There are several ways 
to convert the file, but I have found that the best way is with abby fine 
reader pro for the mac. Whats great about this option is that it will also 
often create accessible headings which are great.

If anyone has any questions about pdf's on the mac I can probably give some 
helpful info. hopefully  the state of accessible pdf on the mac will b 
radically different in less then thirty days when the Adobe update comes 
out. Of course we don't know for sure if the app will be as accessible as 
they claim, but if it is it will be a game changer for the mac. Perhaps one 
of the most important accessibility improvements ever on OSX.               
  

     

 Friday, April 3, 2015 at 5:24:27 PM UTC-5, Gigi wrote:
>
> I don't really know because I never had the version that was not the pro 
> version. You may want to contact the developer and find out.
> Gigi
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Apr 3, 2015, at 5:15 PM, jeffrey greene <[email protected] 
> <javascript:>> wrote:
>
> Hi I noticed PDFPEN PRO is $124.95. Can you fill out forms with the 
> regular PDFPEN?
> Thanks, Jeff
>
> On Apr 3, 2015, at 3:10 PM, Mary Otten <[email protected] <javascript:>> 
> wrote:
>
> How about tables? Any progress on reading tables in an intelligible manner?
> Mary
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Apr 3, 2015, at 12:01 PM, Eugenia Firth <[email protected] <javascript:>> 
> wrote:
>
> As far as I know, that is true. I will tell you that it works faster but 
> it doesn't windows. It calls up that file almost immediately and doesn't 
> take forever while it tags the thing or whatever it doesn't windows. Also, 
> if you get the pro version, one of the things you can do is to convert your 
> PDF files to text or Word files or Excel files. I have done this.
> Gigi
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Apr 3, 2015, at 1:00 PM, Ray Foret Jr <[email protected] 
> <javascript:>> wrote:
>
> In short, pDF Pin Pro is what would appear to be the most if not the only 
> accessible way for a blind Mac user to fill out a PDF form yefs?
>
>
> Sincerely,
> The Constantly Barefooted Ray
>
> Still a happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone 6+ and Apple TV user!
>
> Sent from my Mac,
> the only computer with full accessibility for the blind built-in
>  
> On Apr 3, 2015, at 12:38 PM, Eugenia Firth <[email protected] <javascript:>> 
> wrote:
>
> Hi guys 
> I just filled out an IRS form 941 with PDF Pen Pro, version 7.1 and I want 
> to tell you guys about it. We can do it now because the checkboxes work, 
> not exactly like in Windows, but you can get there. 
>
> I found the first one did not come up when I pressed the tab key, so I had 
> to read with VO arrow keys to find it, so it pays to read the form first 
> before doing it. In my case, I knew the form fairly well because I used to 
> handle employment tax questions. If I had not had that experience, however, 
> I could have done it ok if I had read through the form first. So now I am 
> considering firing my payroll company. I had a bad moment when the IRS web 
> site said 2014 on the place for the form, but the form says 2015. At least 
> on the IRS forms you can get the braille copies, too. 
>
> Gigi 
>
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