I cannot imagine Apple moving from a good voice such as Alex to a robotic one like eloquence, much less the unusable, at least for me, speak. Perhaps, if they ever get around to opening up the system so that you can use any voice you want, somebody will port espeak over, and then those who like it will be able to use it. But I believe eloquence has been dead for a few years now. It is not being developed. Somehow, I think it showed up for android. But I can't believe that was a legal development. Mary
Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 11, 2015, at 1:32 PM, Tim Kilburn <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hi, > > I agree with Shawn. I've not been a fan of Eloquence ever primarily due to > how it sounds. But, to each their own. > > Later... > > Tim Kilburn > Fort McMurray, AB Canada > > On Jun 11, 2015, at 14:11, Shawn Krasniuk <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hi. The thing I have against Eloquence and even ESpeak is because they are > too robotic sounding. Actually, one of the reasons why I moved to the Mac > back in 2010 is because of Alex. When a friend of mine showed me how he took > breaths when he reads and when watching Youtube videos with him on them, I > was impressed with the way he sounded. Bottom line is, I moved to the Mac to > get away from all robotic voices. Now I'm using Sharon from Acapela who I > think is the best US English voice they made. In my opinion, like it or not, > human natural voices are the future for us so I don't think Eloquence or > eSpeak will ever come on to the Mac, especially if what that other poster > said is true that Eloquence is discontinued. > > Shawn > Sent from my White MacBook > > > >> On Jun 11, 2015, at 2:25 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland >> <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Jonathan, >> >> I totally totally agree with you! If we could get Eloquence on the mac, >> that would probably be the happiest day of my life! I am one of those who >> falls into the category you mentioned regarding Alex. I can use him, but I >> have to keep it at the default speaking rate, and even then, with my hearing >> loss, I have to pay fairly close attention. Especially if I'm reading say, >> an entire paragraph or whatever in one chunk. Again, I can do it, but it's >> not easy. >> >> I don't honestly know what so many people have against Eloquence. Even the >> Vocalizer voices I can't seem to really understand terribly well. I can do >> it, as I said, but not easily. I can't ramp Eloquence up very fast, but I >> definitely have it slightly faster than the default both on my JAWS and my >> Window-eyes. >> >> I know that Eloquence is also available for NVDA, but not legally, so there >> went that idea. >> >> I know there is a port for Eloquence done by Tylor Spivy of Eloquence that >> works on the mac, but it's a bit tricky to get it working, and is incredibly >> incredibly unstable. I used it just long enough to see if it really >> actually worked, but obviously took it off, 1, when I saw how unstable it >> was, and 2, due to the fact it's also illegal. Even had it worked >> flawlessly, I couldn't have kept it in good concience. >> >> I agree though, if there was a way to buy a mac ported stable mind you, >> license for Eloquence, for OSX, I'd do it faster than a blink of an eye! >> Darn straight I would! It's really about the only synth I can not only >> understand, but comfortably can listen to on and on for hours at a time. >> >> Chris. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "'Kevin Cussick' via MacVisionaries" >> <[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2015 2:17 PM >> Subject: Re: time for Apple to get a new default voice >> >> >> Well I use Fiona Compact and have it as fast as I can and love it. but >> each to there own. >> >>> On 10/06/2015 20:16, Jonathan Mosen wrote: >>> Hi Christopher. I think it depends on the hearing loss. I've worked with >>> people for example with a hearing loss who find Alex unintelligible once >>> you go a little above the default rate, but who can have compact Daniel >>> cranked up remarkably fast. >>> Personally I'd be delighted to have Eloquence on my Mac because Alex >>> mispronounces far too much for my liking. The moral of the story is the >>> more choice of TTS a screen reader company can offer, the better. Speech is >>> extremely subjective. >>> Jonathan Mosen >>> Mosen Consulting >>> Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training >>> http://Mosen.org >>> >>>> On 11/06/2015, at 6:28 am, christopher hallsworth >>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> Might be coming next year <grin>. Seriously though, I don't ever want >>>> Apple to remove Alex. He's fantastic for someone with moderately severe to >>>> profound hearing loss which I have. The other voices included are fine, >>>> but doesn't cut it like Alex. >>>>> On 10 Jun 2015, at 18:46, Shawn Krasniuk <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hi Ray. I don't really want Apple to get rid of Alex. I lve the fact that >>>>> he takes breaths and everything. I am with you on one thing though, I >>>>> hope Apple considers making the Siri voices available in El Capitan. >>>>> After all, you can get them for NVDA in Windows so why can't it be done >>>>> on the Mac? >>>>> >>>>> Shawn >>>>> Sent from my White MacBook >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On Jun 10, 2015, at 12:07 PM, Ray Foret Jr <[email protected]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Subject line pretty much says it all. Nothing against Alex mind you: >>>>>> but, frankly, I reckon it's high time Apple adopted a new and much more >>>>>> updated default voice. The new Siri male US English voice might perhaps >>>>>> be a good choice. Here's hoping we see this one in Elcapitan. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Sincerely, >>>>>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray >>>>>> >>>>>> Still a happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone 6+ and Apple TV user! >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent from my Mac, >>>>>> the only computer with full accessibility for the blind built-in >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>>>> email to [email protected]. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>>> email to [email protected]. >>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. 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