I think that I’d use Eloquence if it were for mac. We just have to get someone, like the person that made it for NVDA, to make it natively for mac. > On Jun 12, 2015, at 10:49 AM, John D. Lipsey <[email protected]> wrote: > > I like Eloquence well enough, but I would not want it on my mac or iPhone, > ever I don’t think. > > For me, Eloquence is windows, Alex is Mac. Since I do boot into a virtual > machine for mudding and the like, I enjoy having my 2 environments with > different voices. > > DFTBA! > > John D. Lipsey > > mail: [email protected] > > Twitter: @J_TGL > >> On Jun 11, 2015, at 23:38, Sadam Ahmed <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Like others on list I've played around with the solution that brings the >> Eloquence TTS to the Mac. >> >> As pointed out it's horribly unstable. >> >> If Apple can figure out a way of incorporating Eloquence in the next version >> of OS X I'd certainly be interested. >> >> Alex has a very hard time announcing some names in Arabic and Somali my >> native languages. >> >> Hope the Siri voices available in iOS 9 make it into VoiceOver. >> >> To be honest a lot of those voices need to go. >> >> Not a lot has changed in terms of TTS since I got the Mac way back in 2010. >> >> Sadam Ahmed >> >> On 6/12/2015 6:32 AM, Tim Kilburn wrote: >>> Hi, >>> >>> I agree with Shawn. I've not been a fan of Eloquence ever primarily due to >>> how it sounds. But, to each their own. >>> >>> Later... >>> >>> Tim Kilburn >>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada >>> >>> On Jun 11, 2015, at 14:11, Shawn Krasniuk <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> Hi. The thing I have against Eloquence and even ESpeak is because they are >>> too robotic sounding. Actually, one of the reasons why I moved to the Mac >>> back in 2010 is because of Alex. When a friend of mine showed me how he >>> took breaths when he reads and when watching Youtube videos with him on >>> them, I was impressed with the way he sounded. Bottom line is, I moved to >>> the Mac to get away from all robotic voices. Now I'm using Sharon from >>> Acapela who I think is the best US English voice they made. In my opinion, >>> like it or not, human natural voices are the future for us so I don't think >>> Eloquence or eSpeak will ever come on to the Mac, especially if what that >>> other poster said is true that Eloquence is discontinued. >>> >>> Shawn >>> Sent from my White MacBook >>> >>> >>> >>>> On Jun 11, 2015, at 2:25 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland >>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> Jonathan, >>>> >>>> I totally totally agree with you! If we could get Eloquence on the mac, >>>> that would probably be the happiest day of my life! I am one of those who >>>> falls into the category you mentioned regarding Alex. I can use him, but >>>> I have to keep it at the default speaking rate, and even then, with my >>>> hearing loss, I have to pay fairly close attention. Especially if I'm >>>> reading say, an entire paragraph or whatever in one chunk. Again, I can >>>> do it, but it's not easy. >>>> >>>> I don't honestly know what so many people have against Eloquence. Even >>>> the Vocalizer voices I can't seem to really understand terribly well. I >>>> can do it, as I said, but not easily. I can't ramp Eloquence up very >>>> fast, but I definitely have it slightly faster than the default both on my >>>> JAWS and my Window-eyes. >>>> >>>> I know that Eloquence is also available for NVDA, but not legally, so >>>> there went that idea. >>>> >>>> I know there is a port for Eloquence done by Tylor Spivy of Eloquence that >>>> works on the mac, but it's a bit tricky to get it working, and is >>>> incredibly incredibly unstable. I used it just long enough to see if it >>>> really actually worked, but obviously took it off, 1, when I saw how >>>> unstable it was, and 2, due to the fact it's also illegal. Even had it >>>> worked flawlessly, I couldn't have kept it in good concience. >>>> >>>> I agree though, if there was a way to buy a mac ported stable mind you, >>>> license for Eloquence, for OSX, I'd do it faster than a blink of an eye! >>>> Darn straight I would! It's really about the only synth I can not only >>>> understand, but comfortably can listen to on and on for hours at a time. >>>> >>>> Chris. >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "'Kevin Cussick' via MacVisionaries" >>>> <[email protected]> >>>> To: <[email protected]> >>>> Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2015 2:17 PM >>>> Subject: Re: time for Apple to get a new default voice >>>> >>>> >>>> Well I use Fiona Compact and have it as fast as I can and love it. but >>>> each to there own. >>>> >>>> On 10/06/2015 20:16, Jonathan Mosen wrote: >>>>> Hi Christopher. I think it depends on the hearing loss. I've worked with >>>>> people for example with a hearing loss who find Alex unintelligible once >>>>> you go a little above the default rate, but who can have compact Daniel >>>>> cranked up remarkably fast. >>>>> Personally I'd be delighted to have Eloquence on my Mac because Alex >>>>> mispronounces far too much for my liking. The moral of the story is the >>>>> more choice of TTS a screen reader company can offer, the better. Speech >>>>> is extremely subjective. >>>>> Jonathan Mosen >>>>> Mosen Consulting >>>>> Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training >>>>> http://Mosen.org >>>>> >>>>>> On 11/06/2015, at 6:28 am, christopher hallsworth >>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Might be coming next year <grin>. Seriously though, I don't ever want >>>>>> Apple to remove Alex. He's fantastic for someone with moderately severe >>>>>> to profound hearing loss which I have. The other voices included are >>>>>> fine, but doesn't cut it like Alex. >>>>>>> On 10 Jun 2015, at 18:46, Shawn Krasniuk <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi Ray. I don't really want Apple to get rid of Alex. I lve the fact >>>>>>> that he takes breaths and everything. I am with you on one thing >>>>>>> though, I hope Apple considers making the Siri voices available in El >>>>>>> Capitan. After all, you can get them for NVDA in Windows so why can't >>>>>>> it be done on the Mac? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Shawn >>>>>>> Sent from my White MacBook >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Jun 10, 2015, at 12:07 PM, Ray Foret Jr <[email protected]> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Subject line pretty much says it all. Nothing against Alex mind you: >>>>>>>> but, frankly, I reckon it's high time Apple adopted a new and much >>>>>>>> more updated default voice. The new Siri male US English voice might >>>>>>>> perhaps be a good choice. Here's hoping we see this one in Elcapitan. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Sincerely, >>>>>>>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Still a happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone 6+ and Apple TV user! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Sent from my Mac, >>>>>>>> the only computer with full accessibility for the blind built-in >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>>>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >>>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>>>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>> -- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>>> email to [email protected]. >>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>>> email to [email protected]. >>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
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