Just for the record, I'm not sure how much my letter did for Xcode. Apple had 
been steadily improving Xcode accessibility for years, just not at a pace I'd 
like, and version 7 still doesn't address many of my concerns. The processes 
are easier and more reliable, certainly, but VO users still follow some 
alternative procedures, and some parts are still unlabeled/not intuitive to 
use. I have to wonder if the improvements we got in 7 were more coincidental 
than the result of anything I wrote.

As to an open letter for braille support, I'd suggest using the AppleVis 
contact form to put the idea forward.
> On Oct 5, 2015, at 09:48, Devin Prater <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> Perhaps we could get with Applevis and write an open letter to Apple about 
> braille. Not just for the Mac, but for the phone too, as there are some huge 
> annoyances there too. The open letter seemed to help with xCode so maybe 
> braille can get it next. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Oct 5, 2015, at 7:50 AM, Scott Granados <[email protected]> wrote:
>> 
>> This is a well presented message and reflects a lot of my feeling as well.  
>> I do not have the driver problems you have, I’m using a Focus 40 Blue but 
>> the cursor routing is a real problem.  I find the key assignment features 
>> difficult to master, things are really inconsistent like I could map space w 
>> to close a window for example but it won’t work in mail yet it will in Text 
>> edit etc, mapping across applications is not consistent for me.  Absolutely 
>> agree on the status cells and I disabled them as well on my 40 cell display.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Oct 4, 2015, at 8:08 PM, Blee Blat <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I have  a display but I may be hitting different bugs than others so I 
>>> wouldn't mind a list either. I have noticed that cursor routing is useless 
>>> because there is no separate braille cursor or braille doesn't follow the 
>>> system cursor it just moves the voiceover cursor which isn't what should 
>>> happen. There's no way to tell if text is selected easily since dots 7 and 
>>> 8 are used for the voiceover cursor as well as the highlighting of text. I 
>>> don't understand what to do with these silly status cells at all. I turn 
>>> them off on OS X and iOS because I don't understand how their information 
>>> is at all useful especially on a small 18-cell display.
>>> Braille input is also equally useless on iOS and OS X because I braille too 
>>> quickly and the driver appears to hang. I should also point out that I 
>>> frequently work with autocorrect and dictation turned off because I still 
>>> get input lag typing on qwerty as well but the braille translator makes 
>>> input lag a lot.
>>> I'd sell this braille display to someone if I could find one for a 
>>> reasonable price that I could put under the laptop or keyborad since I 
>>> don't like the braille input function at all because it doesn't work at all 
>>> in a useful way.
>>> Also USB serial support is broken in OS X so that you cannot use your 
>>> braillle display in USB mode  at least not with Refreshabraille even though 
>>> the documentation claims it works. Bluetooth frequently drops on both iOS 
>>> and OS X  especially after sleep / wake so often the braille display will 
>>> not connect at all and I have to revert to speech. Braille also doesn't 
>>> work until after the user is logged in, nor does it work in recovery mode. 
>>> There is no braille for emoji either.
>>> Some of this is probably user error because OS X and iOS  probably handle 
>>> braille differently than BRLTTY which is what I used to use. I moved to OS 
>>> X to avoid Windows because I generally prefer UNIX shells and things and I 
>>> thought maybe Apple had better accessibility when I played with it and in 
>>> general I'm not unhappy with that decision. But it seems to me that the 
>>> computer industry in general is releasing poorly written software for all 
>>> users and so I'm thinking every OS is badly written and buggy so I'm giving 
>>> Apple a pass on that one. It seems people want things in this world that 
>>> give the delusion of working but don't actually work and that is ok if 
>>> that's what people want. So I expect it to be horribly broken because 
>>> that's what sells and I'm surprised that in general Apple tends to be less 
>>> horribly broken than other companies but I am sure it's a design decision 
>>> since the focus seems to be on data mining and tracking and accessibility 
>>> just doesn't help them collect data or advertise so it means nothing. And 
>>> braille is the bottom of the stack when it comes to that.
>>> I wrote Apple Accessibility telling them that I've got a lot of time and I 
>>> could learn their architecture and help with braille testing but I got a 
>>> form letter saying that they'd look into the bugs I reported so I left it 
>>> at that. But I would like to know how to get the most out of braille on 
>>> either the phone or the mac because I prefer not to use speech  since it 
>>> gets in the way of my creative process,  especially thanks to Apple Music  
>>> and several meditation apps being available   on all devices. Don't take 
>>> any of this as criticism or negativity I'm willing to help but I don't know 
>>> what's constructive.  I'm also betting that maybe I haven't explored 
>>> something or don't fully understand some features so I'd be willing to take 
>>> this off list  for extended conversation if someone wants  we could talk 
>>> about how to get this stuff constructively fixed. I think Apple is trying 
>>> to do the right thing I'm just not sure how we can help them.
>>> Yes it's a small user group but it might get larger very quickly if somehow 
>>> we had easily accessible built-in working braille support to point people 
>>> at. Sorry if this is a bit long I have only given the most  severe bugs 
>>> I've noticed. There's probably more I'm sure but I'm assuming the ones I 
>>> encountered were user error mostly but someone make a list of bugs and we 
>>> can hack this out. Thanks for reading and have fun times. I'll go away now 
>>> unless there's a reply.
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