I’m not sure about that either because I know they do hire good quality people even for accessibility efforts so I’m not sure it’s that simple. I heard about the patent for the reactive metal but I can’t imagine that being practical unless it has some benefit for the sited as well. > On Oct 2, 2015, at 9:35 AM, Mary Otten <[email protected]> wrote: > > For whatever the reason, I simply don't think Apple has higher the expertise > they need to get braille right. I think this notion of them doing something > special with braille on the screen is nonsense. If I'm wrong and proven > wrong, so be it. But I really do believe the problem is they don't know how > to get it right, and they haven't found the person who can help them do it. > That seem sad, given their money, but there you go. > . > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Oct 2, 2015, at 6:31 AM, Devin Prater <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> I sort of think Apple has something big planned though. I've read that they >> have their own patent for sort of elastic and shapable metal, so that the >> metal could form dots and such. I don't know if they'll do that, or just >> keep supporting braille displays, but the lack of new fixes in braille leads >> me to think that they'll do a tactile display for the iPhone, and the >> braille display things will just get in the way. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Oct 2, 2015, at 7:15 AM, Scott Granados <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> BTW, I meant that tongue and cheek, I am in total agreement with you. >>> Apple’s braille support needs a lot of work and it’s inexcusable how bad it >>> is now. >>> >>>> On Oct 2, 2015, at 6:11 AM, Anders Holmberg <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi! >>>> Oh dear. >>>> Soon i will give up on this as they do not seem to prioritize braille at >>>> all. >>>> If apple was a german or European company there’s no doubt that the >>>> braille support will be better. >>>> It took us forever to get good braille support for Jaws. >>>> Also for window eyes but its there. >>>> Nvda has support for braille displays but braille support in the sense of >>>> navigating seems not to be able yet. >>>> Dolphin has good support and orca for linux. >>>> Still mac is not very well supported in braille. >>>> Its a shame and i will really let them know that. >>>> Sorry for my offensive attack here but i am so tired of this. >>>> THey just get back to you saying thanks for your report we will pass this >>>> on to blablabla. >>>> I am pissed off but i hope things will be better. >>>> Still optemistic though. >>>> /A >>>>> 1 okt. 2015 kl. 08:33 skrev William Windels <[email protected]>: >>>>> >>>>> Hello all, >>>>> I was reading the bug and feature report of Kris , thx for that. >>>>> As announced in that blog, there was not much braille testing with 10.11 >>>>> while this is for me and others important. >>>>> >>>>> Some first remarks: >>>>> 1. It happens often that I have braille on the display but I can’t >>>>> move around. The trick seems to be that I have to switch to another >>>>> program and then I should come back. A kind of screen refreshing is >>>>> needed here perhaps? >>>>> >>>>> 2. I turn vo-cursor on the braille display off because dots 7 and 8 >>>>> are used for capitals and some computer signs. >>>>> When this is turned off, I can’t see on the display which application has >>>>> the focus while switching from app to app with command+tab. (Yes, I can >>>>> hear it but sometimes I don’t use sound if I am in a course. >>>>> I suggested accessibility to put the selected program on the most left >>>>> position on the display or, like in windows with jaws, only the selected >>>>> program should appear on the display while switching from one program to >>>>> another. >>>>> >>>>> 3. Not all controls like radiobuttons , checkboxes, comboboxes, >>>>> edit-fields , are presented with symbols on the display. Mostly, they are >>>>> fully written in dutch “keuzerondje=radiobutton, aankruisvakje=checkbox, >>>>> keuzelijst=combobox … >>>>> This should be represented with symbols like { }/{x} [ ] [x] ( )/(x) … >>>>> I subpose that the controls like above, are presented with this kind of >>>>> symbols when the interface-language is set on English. >>>>> This is een old question I think but still not changed. >>>>> >>>>> Any comments or reports to apple accessibility are very welcom >>>>> >>>>> Kind regards, >>>>> William Windels >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>>>> email to [email protected]. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>>> email to [email protected]. >>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>> email to [email protected]. >>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
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