For me, at least, having to feel dots 7 and 8 just to know where the cursor is 
is just not what I'd like. For example, when I'm in a dialog, and voiceover 
focus is on the text of the dialog, its hard to read with dots 7 and 8 in the 
way. I'd like the mac braille implimentation to be more like the iPhone, or at 
least have the choice.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 5, 2015, at 7:42 PM, Alex Hall <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> Can you explain a bit more about the VoiceOver cursor and dots 7 and 8? How 
> does the use of dots 7 and 8 pose a problem, and what does the VO cursor 
> indicate or not indicate that you would like changed? I'm just not following 
> this one, and I want to be sure I explain it correctly in the list I'm 
> compiling. Thanks.
>> On Oct 5, 2015, at 17:54, Devin Prater <[email protected]> wrote:
>> 
>> My biggest problem is that I cannot read formatting information, like 
>> italics and bold. For example, on a webpage, if something is italicized, 
>> VoiceOver just puts it in a new element, and doesn't show that it is 
>> formatted any differently in braille. Another problem is that we can't 
>> change the fact that braille shows more than the voiceover cursor, and the 
>> only way to know what truely is in the cursor is to have the annoying dots 7 
>> and 8 showing.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Oct 5, 2015, at 4:49 PM, E.T. <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> 
>>>   I am posting a new thread in the hopes of starting a "focused" discussion 
>>> of the braille support in OS X.
>>> 
>>>   What I mean by "focused"  is this. What exactly, specifically, are the 
>>> shortcomings of OS X's braille support. I need to know this for two 
>>> reasons. One, to better use this personally, and two, to better communicate 
>>> it to Apple. Many of you have your gripes with this but it will be more 
>>> effective if we can stay on track.
>>> 
>>>   I am not as proficient as I would like to be with both braille and OS X 
>>> so please lets not deviate from the mission. This is about braille support 
>>> in OS X. Thanks.
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>>   [email protected]
>>> Many believe that we have been visited
>>> in the past. What if it were true?
>>> 
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