Hi! Thats true mate. I really don’t like that. /A > On 06 Oct 2015, at 09:22, Krister Ekstrom <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hi, > Please pardon my ignorance here, but isn’t dots 7 and 8 also the way the > cursor is represented in the PC world? You don’t have dots 7 and 8 across the > whole line where the cursor is, do you? > /Krister > >> 6 okt. 2015 kl. 03:07 skrev Devin Prater <[email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>>: >> >> Well, as I said, they could just do as they do on the iPhone. Or they could >> have a full cell enclosing the text of the voiceover cursor, as the braille >> sense does with selected text. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Oct 5, 2015, at 8:04 PM, Alex Hall <[email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >> >>> Okay, that makes sense, and I remember thinking the same thing during my >>> brief flirtation with braille on OS X years back. Dots 7 and 8 seems like a >>> great way to highlight text in braille, until you actually try to read it. >>> Then it just slows you down and is plain distracting. I think you can turn >>> it off, but how else might Apple indicate VO focus to braille users? >>>> On Oct 5, 2015, at 20:55, Devin Prater <[email protected] >>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>> >>>> For me, at least, having to feel dots 7 and 8 just to know where the >>>> cursor is is just not what I'd like. For example, when I'm in a dialog, >>>> and voiceover focus is on the text of the dialog, its hard to read with >>>> dots 7 and 8 in the way. I'd like the mac braille implimentation to be >>>> more like the iPhone, or at least have the choice. >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>> On Oct 5, 2015, at 7:42 PM, Alex Hall <[email protected] >>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Can you explain a bit more about the VoiceOver cursor and dots 7 and 8? >>>>> How does the use of dots 7 and 8 pose a problem, and what does the VO >>>>> cursor indicate or not indicate that you would like changed? I'm just not >>>>> following this one, and I want to be sure I explain it correctly in the >>>>> list I'm compiling. Thanks. >>>>>> On Oct 5, 2015, at 17:54, Devin Prater <[email protected] >>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> My biggest problem is that I cannot read formatting information, like >>>>>> italics and bold. For example, on a webpage, if something is italicized, >>>>>> VoiceOver just puts it in a new element, and doesn't show that it is >>>>>> formatted any differently in braille. Another problem is that we can't >>>>>> change the fact that braille shows more than the voiceover cursor, and >>>>>> the only way to know what truely is in the cursor is to have the >>>>>> annoying dots 7 and 8 showing. >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>> >>>>>> On Oct 5, 2015, at 4:49 PM, E.T. <[email protected] >>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> I am posting a new thread in the hopes of starting a "focused" >>>>>>> discussion of the braille support in OS X. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> What I mean by "focused" is this. What exactly, specifically, are >>>>>>> the shortcomings of OS X's braille support. I need to know this for two >>>>>>> reasons. One, to better use this personally, and two, to better >>>>>>> communicate it to Apple. Many of you have your gripes with this but it >>>>>>> will be more effective if we can stay on track. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I am not as proficient as I would like to be with both braille and OS >>>>>>> X so please lets not deviate from the mission. This is about braille >>>>>>> support in OS X. Thanks. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard... >>>>>>> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >>>>>>> Many believe that we have been visited >>>>>>> in the past. What if it were true? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>>>> an email to [email protected] >>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>. >>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected] >>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>. >>>>>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries >>>>>>> <http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries>. >>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout >>>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/optout>. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>>> an email to [email protected] >>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>. >>>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected] >>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>. >>>>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries >>>>>> <http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries>. >>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout >>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/optout>. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Have a great day, >>>>> Alex Hall >>>>> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>>>> email to [email protected] >>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected] >>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>. >>>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries >>>>> <http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries>. >>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout >>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/optout>. >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>>> email to [email protected] >>>> <mailto:[email protected]>. >>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected] >>>> <mailto:[email protected]>. >>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries >>>> <http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries>. >>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout >>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/optout>. >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Have a great day, >>> Alex Hall >>> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>> email to [email protected] >>> <mailto:[email protected]>. >>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected] >>> <mailto:[email protected]>. >>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries >>> <http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries>. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout >>> <https://groups.google.com/d/optout>. >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries >> <http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries>. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout >> <https://groups.google.com/d/optout>. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries > <http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries>. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout > <https://groups.google.com/d/optout>.
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