Hi All, Firstly, this is not targeted at anyone in particular. I have received requests off-list from concerned listers about this topic.
So I want to just ask that we please purge the thinly veiled religious commentary from this thread and just get back to the actual technological aspects of it. Thanks to you all very much and please do have a terrific weekend and Fourth of July holiday to those who celebrate! Cheers! Cara --- iOS design and development - LookTel.com --- View my Online Portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/models/Cara-Quinn Follow me on Twitter! https://twitter.com/ModelCara On Jul 2, 2016, at 8:47 AM, CHUCK REICHEL <soundpicturerecord...@gmail.com> wrote: Hi E.T. Just like the design of the iphone, There is a designer! :) This fact is indisputable! :) To keep it on topic the head set jack was designed for a specific purpose not randomly! LOL The removal of the jack is by design also! Nothing comes from nothing! HUNGH sounds like a song from yesterday! As usual if you want an in-depth explanation of how apple was by design no random chance by all means reach out? I'm usually in the studio mixing and would love to take a break to chat! Chuck On Jul 1, 2016, at 9:09 PM, E.T. wrote: > Scott, > A cool design that was hundreds of thousands of years in the making. > Evolution at work. Same principle that we see with the iPhone. > > Yes its possible the human race was seeded. After all our solar system is > quite young compared to the galaxy we fondly know as the Milky Way. > > We are not a creation of randomness nor is the creation theory > scientifically valid. > > From E.T.'s Keyboard... > Are We Alone in the Universe? > ancient.ali...@icloud.com > > On 7/1/2016 5:15 PM, Scott Granados wrote: >> Nah, no design, none needed. Enough variations yield the same results. >> Evolution is also not a brute force process like the unintelligent design >> folks would like to have us believe. It is totally iterative and builds on >> previous successes so just like you don’t brute force ciphers to crack them >> any more you don’t brute force evolution either. >> Enough super membranes bump together in 11 dimensional space eventually one >> of them resonates in to a universe like ours with life and inflation. Most >> probably pop or collapse but just like coal every once in a while conditions >> are right and you get a diamond. No invisible men sitting on clouds required. >> It is possible we were seeded but I’ll let E.T. speak to that topic. >> Pan spermia might also account for the population but that’s just the result >> of organic molecules forming in the centers of dying stars. No magic and >> nobody behind the curtain pulling strings, just good ol law of large numbers. >> >> As the old raiser statement goes, the simplest solution is usually the right >> one. >> >> >> >> >>> On Jul 1, 2016, at 3:49 PM, CHUCK REICHEL <soundpicturerecord...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>> Hi Scott, >>> Very nice! :) >>> What a cool design we are! :) >>> Talk soon >>> Chuck >>> >>> >>> On Jul 1, 2016, at 3:38 PM, Scott Granados wrote: >>> >>>> Vaughn, I know native bluetooth support exists. I’ll dig around through >>>> some articles for you. Glad to help you out. It sounds like you and some >>>> others who use hearing devices could benefit from this. >>>> >>>> I’m very very interested in human / machine interfaces. And yes, total >>>> tech nerd and proud of it.:) >>>> I have a good friend who is a perceptual psychologist and studies non >>>> visual way finding and human machine interfaces. I’m trying to get ahold >>>> of him because I think he could shed some light on this subject. The idea >>>> of connecting directly to the brain for the ear or obviously for vision >>>> interests me. The idea of circumventing the cochlear altogether and >>>> connecting to the brain is a tricky one though. That cochlear does a lot >>>> of preprocessing. That’s the thing that learns how to hear music or >>>> language. Cochlear of Chinese people for example have different tonal >>>> assignments to the individual nerve ends than say someone who grew up in >>>> the West using our 12 tone scale. Nerves that get tickled by English >>>> words react differently when programmed to hear Middle Eastern languages >>>> and so forth. When babies are born this nerve mass is undefined and >>>> programmable. Like the brain as you get older these values are assigned >>>> based on many factors including culture, location, up bringing and many >>>> other factors. As we get older these become fixed. Just like we old >>>> timers get set in our ways so do our neurons. Once it gets passed the ear >>>> things get really dicy really quick. Same with vision. Theres real >>>> rudimentary ability to basically lightly shock parts of the visual center >>>> and with a developed cortex have the person perceive a flash. The flashes >>>> can be theoretically grouped together in a matrix of electrodes to say >>>> build a score board effect where the user perceives say a basic shape of >>>> an uppercase E by stimulating the right electrodes in order There is an >>>> interesting picture on the net of the first attempts of this taking up 2 >>>> racks of computer equipment. I’m absolutely certain you could do the >>>> calculations now in an iPhone. The fact is though, once we get to the >>>> brain we don’t know much. THere’s over 4 quadrillion discrete chemicals >>>> at play not to mention trillions of interconnections. When imaged >>>> behavior is also odd. Hearing and site for example trip all sorts of >>>> areas all around the brain and in many cases it’s hard to tell the >>>> difference of that to someone imagining they are hearing the same thing >>>> but sitting quietly. There’s a lot more paralyzation and distributed >>>> processing going on there than you’d think and we really have no idea. >>>> We’re getting there though, you folks with the artificial hearing blazed a >>>> lot of trails, the military is spending huge dollars on this right now to >>>> help restore censes lost in returning Vets. I believe they have a system >>>> now for artificial arms that will transmit basic touch and there are some >>>> hands that can respond to nerve pulses. This is why I always say the real >>>> solution to accessibility issues is solving the medical side of the >>>> problem and not really adapting the machines although adapting the >>>> machines is our best solution today. >>>> >>>> Great time to be alive! >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> On Jul 1, 2016, at 2:21 PM, Vaughn Brown <jazzdress...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Scott, I be interested in what you find on Bluetooth. As far as I >>>>> know, and did some reading on the Cochlear's site, a clip is required. >>>>> I would not mind using a Bluetooth adapter -- especially when wanting >>>>> to connect to a Bluetooth speaker for performances situations to block >>>>> out the obnoxious bar folks... LOL >>>>> You sound like a technology geek. smiles. I'm still split between old >>>>> and the new... >>>>> Vaughn >>>>> >>>>> On 7/1/16, Devin Prater <d.pra...@me.com> wrote: >>>>>> Well, there is VoiceVision, which is dead, no longer updated at all, but >>>>>> nope, not the vOICe. I’ve brought it up several times, but Peter either >>>>>> isn’t receptive to iOS and all, or doesn’t have the money, resources, or >>>>>> doesn’t see the need to develop for iOS and macOS. >>>>>> Sent from my Mac. >>>>>> >>>>>> Devin Prater >>>>>> d.pra...@me.com >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Jul 1, 2016, at 6:41 AM, Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I thought the VOIC was available on IOS, it’s not? I know Android >>>>>>> obviously. Peter is on the eyes free list you aught to bring it up, but >>>>>>> off list so you don’t get flamed.:) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Once it’s digital and all data the options are far greater. As >>>>>>> Sabahattin >>>>>>> rightly points out they could have a bad implementation with to many >>>>>>> restrictions but the general idea is a good one and we’ll have to see >>>>>>> how >>>>>>> it appears in it’s final form. You get it though, having a data stream >>>>>>> instead of analog signaling would be very advantageous. Just like the >>>>>>> switch to digital for broadcasting was beneficial. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Jul 1, 2016, at 7:20 AM, Devin Prater <d.pra...@me.com >>>>>>>> <mailto:d.pra...@me.com>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Oh man, video too? I didn’t think of that. Now if only some one would >>>>>>>> port the vOICe: seeingwithsound.com <http://seeingwithsound.com/>, to >>>>>>>> iOS, then … Then the wheel of fate would really be turning! >>>>>>>> Sent from my Mac. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Devin Prater >>>>>>>> d.pra...@me.com <mailto:d.pra...@me.com> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Jul 1, 2016, at 6:17 AM, Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net >>>>>>>>> <mailto:sc...@qualityip.net>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Devin, that’s the spirit! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> That’s what I’m saying, some are poopooing the whole idea with out >>>>>>>>> even >>>>>>>>> seeing it. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I think it was Ricardo that was mentioning the inclusion of health >>>>>>>>> censors which could track your health stats while wearing the >>>>>>>>> headphones. Your ideas with VR are also good. I had mentioned how >>>>>>>>> much >>>>>>>>> better noise cancelation would be possible with a digital input. What >>>>>>>>> about a headset that has both audio and video so think something like >>>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>> google glasses plug in. I’ve been thinking about getting an Oculist >>>>>>>>> Rift and using that to fly a drone. I finally have time again to work >>>>>>>>> on that project and I’d like to take stereo audio signals as well as >>>>>>>>> head movements to steer the drone and have audible feedback. >>>>>>>>> Lightning >>>>>>>>> would make that link possible to a phone instead of a laptop or >>>>>>>>> desktop. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I like your style.:) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Jul 1, 2016, at 6:45 AM, Devin Prater <d.pra...@me.com >>>>>>>>>> <mailto:d.pra...@me.com>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> One thing that interests me is the digital part of Lightning >>>>>>>>>> adaptors. >>>>>>>>>> Imagine EarPods that can detect what you can and can’t hear as an >>>>>>>>>> individual, kind of like MyNoise’s calibration stuff, but through >>>>>>>>>> hardware and automatic. Or, it could do noise blocking, or turn down >>>>>>>>>> volume when someone talks, or, with Siri maybe, if some one says your >>>>>>>>>> name. Then, we get into virtual reality stuff, with games possibly >>>>>>>>>> knowing how your head is pointed, if you nod or shake your head, >>>>>>>>>> stuff >>>>>>>>>> like that. We don’t even know what Apple has dreamed up yet for >>>>>>>>>> Lightning headphones. Perhaps, after using them, we’ll feel like >>>>>>>>>> regular old headphones are dead and boring, because they can only >>>>>>>>>> deal >>>>>>>>>> with sound or other analog data. >>>>>>>>>> Sent from my Mac. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Devin Prater >>>>>>>>>> d.pra...@me.com <mailto:d.pra...@me.com> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 1, 2016, at 5:21 AM, Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net >>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:sc...@qualityip.net>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> See adapters don’t scare me, like you I have piles of them in the >>>>>>>>>>> work >>>>>>>>>>> bag so I’m ready for what ever situation. Lots of fiber pigtails, >>>>>>>>>>> ST >>>>>>>>>>> connectors, SC connectors, single and multi mode, ethernet cables, >>>>>>>>>>> thunderbolt to ethernet and thunderbolt to VGA, 8th inch to quarter >>>>>>>>>>> inch headphone adapters, and so forth. Even USB to 9 pin serial for >>>>>>>>>>> the console ports on various devices. The Mac needs a good serial >>>>>>>>>>> terminal program for that matter. I use putty or the terminal >>>>>>>>>>> software under windows but didn’t find Zterm on the Mac accessible. >>>>>>>>>>> One more adapter won’t break me but it might give me cool connection >>>>>>>>>>> options. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 1, 2016, at 6:13 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com >>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> And that's agood point, >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I've got so many adaptors now that I wish there was a standard for >>>>>>>>>>>> all devices. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Lightening or USB C for notebooks and tablets / phones, >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I've got lightening adaptors for my iPad and iPhone that do >>>>>>>>>>>> hdmi,vga,dvi, sd cards, USB and other things, >>>>>>>>>>>> If Only they worked in my mac book air! >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Now I also would want to see more than one port on the notebooks, >>>>>>>>>>>> like the new mac book 12 inch, a couple more USB C ports would make >>>>>>>>>>>> more sence. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Not just the one they have. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >>>>>>>>>>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>] On Behalf Of Terje >>>>>>>>>>>> Strømberg >>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, 30 June 2016 8:13 PM >>>>>>>>>>>> To: Mac Group <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Cc: Terje Strømberg <terjestrmb...@gmail.com >>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:terjestrmb...@gmail.com>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Taking The Headphone Jack Off Phones Is User-Hostile >>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>> Stupid, Have Some Dignity >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Actually, there will be adapters that have both lightning and >>>>>>>>>>>> 3.5mm >>>>>>>>>>>> headphone connector on the same unit. Its a strange world. Need to >>>>>>>>>>>> adapt. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Take care >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> 30. jun. 2016 kl. 09.44 skrev Sabahattin Gucukoglu >>>>>>>>>>>>> <listse...@me.com >>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:listse...@me.com>>: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> More confirmation here: >>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.macrumors.com/2016/06/29/cirrus-logic-mfi-lightning-headphone-dev-kit/ >>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.macrumors.com/2016/06/29/cirrus-logic-mfi-lightning-headphone-dev-kit/> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Lightning. Still not happy about it, but then I’m not buying an >>>>>>>>>>>>> iPhone 7, so it’s OK, for now. Gotta love the Apple pundits >>>>>>>>>>>>> continuing to be completely, ahem, tone deaf on the issue. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Scott, I was talking more in the way of degradation to today’s >>>>>>>>>>>>> computer speakers over the use of complex physical changers. Yep, >>>>>>>>>>>>> there are crazy workarounds, but there’s still no direct path from >>>>>>>>>>>>> digital to your speaker system or even boombox; either you’ve got >>>>>>>>>>>>> proprietary interfaces to the network or sky-rise vertically >>>>>>>>>>>>> integrated systems that know about very specific services, but no >>>>>>>>>>>>> general-purpose network interconnect that’ll work no matter the >>>>>>>>>>>>> digital input source. What we want is for today’s computers and >>>>>>>>>>>>> smartphones to be able, either wirelessly or with digital AV >>>>>>>>>>>>> interfaces, to benefit from the big speakers. That can’t be too >>>>>>>>>>>>> much to ask, can it? I’ve been looking into all the various >>>>>>>>>>>>> solutions, especially Sonos, but I’m still feeling pretty meh >>>>>>>>>>>>> about >>>>>>>>>>>>> it, really. Sure I can build a component system and cable it all >>>>>>>>>>>>> together and use a remote to switch components, but why bother >>>>>>>>>>>>> when >>>>>>>>>>>>> I have a working wired and wireless network and all my >>>>>>>>>>>>> stuff—everything I care about—is all digital now and will become >>>>>>>>>>>>> increasingly so as I rip it from analog? I just despair that at >>>>>>>>>>>>> this golden time of opportunity, all the vendors are going their >>>>>>>>>>>>> own >>>>>>>>>>>>> separate ways to screw the consumer with closed protocols and >>>>>>>>>>>>> meshes >>>>>>>>>>>>> and cordless standards. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> As for SD card storage, the only thing I’ll say is that Apple >>>>>>>>>>>>> would >>>>>>>>>>>>> rather you pay their prices than wipe your bottom with money, so >>>>>>>>>>>>> they don’t offer you the choice. But realistically, the SD >>>>>>>>>>>>> interface is slow, and if it existed at all it would only be in an >>>>>>>>>>>>> adaptor form factor anyway; there is simply no use case for >>>>>>>>>>>>> permanently accessible storage that’s external. Sure I’d love it, >>>>>>>>>>>>> but I think Apple are probably right here not to include the slot, >>>>>>>>>>>>> all the same. Even on Android a lot of people use SD cards purely >>>>>>>>>>>>> for data, and not for apps, because the speed difference is >>>>>>>>>>>>> noticeable. What Apple needs to do is expose SD cards using >>>>>>>>>>>>> document providers, and make the file system more useful by making >>>>>>>>>>>>> it accessible through iOS and from outside from a trusted computer >>>>>>>>>>>>> or over the network. 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