Ahh, ! The thread that would not die! What a nasty, Superior little Poindexter!
Sent from my IPhone > On Jul 4, 2016, at 7:28 PM, Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net> wrote: > > Chuck, this is delusional thinking. > > I can prove there was a singularity, I can point a dish in the sky and show > you on devices you understand if you’re in the audio game the distribution of > radiation across the sky and how it originates from a central singularity. > > To keep it on topic, I can also mathematically demonstrate how apple comes to > be in existence out of a chaotic system, not a random system as you invisible > man in the sky crackpots like to believe. > > And while we’re on the 4th of July, my country is under threat by religious > nuts like your self wanting to kill other religious nuts because you believe > in a very slightly different interpretation of a series of books which were > created to mold the political needs of their times, translated each > generation to serve the authority in power. For example, the original > Aramaic word for love was translated in to latin by the romans as fear and > hundreds of such translations took place serving each manner house owner and > slave traitor, king, despot and even American political needs completely > perverting the original version from a message of love to one of domination > and hate. That’ just one example of one word. Yet what I do is repeatable, > verifiable, provable more importantly and doesn’t require belief in anything. > I don’t have to take anyone’s word for it because I can prove to my self > using my own equipment that what Dr. Smoot and others have found repeatedly > is what’s there. I can measure the radiation dispersion and calculate that > against the currents generated by the inflation of the singularity. As Monte > Python tells us, women wielding flaming swords is no basis for a government > or rational thought. > The other difference is I don’t want to kill anybody for what they > believe. Science doesn’t want to kill anyone for their hypothesis. Everyone > can make their case, choose to do the experiments and verify or disprove > them, publish and counter publish and together expand our understanding of > our universe. Your type spread your beliefs at the end of a gun whether it’s > beating the American Indians in to submission, burning witches at the steak, > slaughtering Moslems by the millions during the Crusades or killing them by > the hundreds of thousands now in drone strikes, Moslems killing each other > because one flavor believes Mohamed had a son and others don’t, Catholics > slaughtering Aztecs and Natives by the millions with violence or with small > pox in the name of a pope using your book to justify human evil. Hindi > oppressors who hold blind people in cages or kill them because their beliefs > say they are cursed, all in the name of what, something that doesn’t exist. > Something that has wasted more resources in human history than anything else > imaginable. Beliefs that have caused more discrimination than the racial > issue ever has, infant is the very root of the racial issue. Remember your > so called christian beliefs say that the black people are marked by god and > inferior, how f**ked up is that. Someone’s skin reflects a slightly > different wavelength than your own and you judge them as marked and inferior. > Why so many of these people who are targeted by this belief buy in is beyond > me, must be Stockholm syndrome. > And you have to force your beliefs not allow them to propagate normally or > be built on by progress. You have to force your beliefs over and over again > on this list and others. Nobody here gives a flying you know what what you > believe in the privacy of your own home or church or what ever tax free > building you’ve been able to scam from the state and the tax payers. But you > force your idea in to every damn discussion just like Wesley Pipes does to > Sasha Grey’s throat. We are on an apple list, Steve Jobs created Apple with > Steve Wozniak, I know this because I met Steve Wozniak several times. I can > verify for my self that it’s true. Odds are that the Steves worked hard, > built on the work of others and were involved in an iterative process of the > growth of our technology that works just like an evolving system, not one > fabricated by magicians micromanaging our universe. But yet you force away, > force your ideas in to every topic. Because that’s the only way your beliefs > continue to exist. They don’t stand on their own merits, they don’t stand up > to scrutiny, they don’t even stand up to logic or common sense, they require > force, violence, domination, highjacking, suspension of reality and they > always ultimately end in harm, suffering and the propagation of make believe > characteristics that serve only to divide us, injure us, waste our treasure > and more importantly lives to exist. My way doesn’t advocate any of these > down sides and yet we only stand to grow based on real hard facts. > > Luckily, young people are smartening up and religiosity is dying off with > racism and all sorts of antiquated notions that hold us down. > > I just wish we could get this out of the Apple list. Not every design > element has to have a god reference attached. > > This does however convince me, I will now start quoting from the darkest > areas of Sharia law and the old testament in my tag lines to push the issue > of how dumb this all is. We could start where the Christians and Moslems > agree, killing gay people. That’s what we want to advocate in a free > intelligently designed society right? Right between the lynchings and > suicide bombings. Let’s take this to it’s logical conclusion. Somebody > target the dome of the rock and let’s get this party started. > > Please stop with the injecting of your beliefs where they aren’t wanted and I > won’t counter you with opposing free speech either. >> On Jul 2, 2016, at 10:47 AM, CHUCK REICHEL <soundpicturerecord...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> Hi E.T. >> Just like the design of the iphone, There is a designer! :) >> This fact is indisputable! :) >> To keep it on topic the head set jack was designed for a specific purpose >> not randomly! LOL >> The removal of the jack is by design also! >> Nothing comes from nothing! >> HUNGH sounds like a song from yesterday! >> As usual if you want an in-depth explanation of how apple was by design no >> random chance by all means reach out? >> I'm usually in the studio mixing and would love to take a break to chat! >> Chuck >> >>> On Jul 1, 2016, at 9:09 PM, E.T. wrote: >>> >>> Scott, >>> A cool design that was hundreds of thousands of years in the making. >>> Evolution at work. Same principle that we see with the iPhone. >>> >>> Yes its possible the human race was seeded. After all our solar system is >>> quite young compared to the galaxy we fondly know as the Milky Way. >>> >>> We are not a creation of randomness nor is the creation theory >>> scientifically valid. >>> >>> From E.T.'s Keyboard... >>> Are We Alone in the Universe? >>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com >>> >>>> On 7/1/2016 5:15 PM, Scott Granados wrote: >>>> Nah, no design, none needed. Enough variations yield the same results. >>>> Evolution is also not a brute force process like the unintelligent design >>>> folks would like to have us believe. It is totally iterative and builds >>>> on previous successes so just like you don’t brute force ciphers to crack >>>> them any more you don’t brute force evolution either. >>>> Enough super membranes bump together in 11 dimensional space eventually >>>> one of them resonates in to a universe like ours with life and inflation. >>>> Most probably pop or collapse but just like coal every once in a while >>>> conditions are right and you get a diamond. No invisible men sitting on >>>> clouds required. >>>> It is possible we were seeded but I’ll let E.T. speak to that topic. >>>> Pan spermia might also account for the population but that’s just the >>>> result of organic molecules forming in the centers of dying stars. No >>>> magic and nobody behind the curtain pulling strings, just good ol law of >>>> large numbers. >>>> >>>> As the old raiser statement goes, the simplest solution is usually the >>>> right one. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> On Jul 1, 2016, at 3:49 PM, CHUCK REICHEL >>>>> <soundpicturerecord...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hi Scott, >>>>> Very nice! :) >>>>> What a cool design we are! :) >>>>> Talk soon >>>>> Chuck >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On Jul 1, 2016, at 3:38 PM, Scott Granados wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Vaughn, I know native bluetooth support exists. I’ll dig around through >>>>>> some articles for you. Glad to help you out. It sounds like you and >>>>>> some others who use hearing devices could benefit from this. >>>>>> >>>>>> I’m very very interested in human / machine interfaces. And yes, total >>>>>> tech nerd and proud of it.:) >>>>>> I have a good friend who is a perceptual psychologist and studies non >>>>>> visual way finding and human machine interfaces. I’m trying to get >>>>>> ahold of him because I think he could shed some light on this subject. >>>>>> The idea of connecting directly to the brain for the ear or obviously >>>>>> for vision interests me. The idea of circumventing the cochlear >>>>>> altogether and connecting to the brain is a tricky one though. That >>>>>> cochlear does a lot of preprocessing. That’s the thing that learns how >>>>>> to hear music or language. Cochlear of Chinese people for example have >>>>>> different tonal assignments to the individual nerve ends than say >>>>>> someone who grew up in the West using our 12 tone scale. Nerves that >>>>>> get tickled by English words react differently when programmed to hear >>>>>> Middle Eastern languages and so forth. When babies are born this nerve >>>>>> mass is undefined and programmable. Like the brain as you get older >>>>>> these values are assigned based on many factors including culture, >>>>>> location, up bringing and many other factors. As we get older these >>>>>> become fixed. Just like we old timers get set in our ways so do our >>>>>> neurons. Once it gets passed the ear things get really dicy really >>>>>> quick. Same with vision. Theres real rudimentary ability to basically >>>>>> lightly shock parts of the visual center and with a developed cortex >>>>>> have the person perceive a flash. The flashes can be theoretically >>>>>> grouped together in a matrix of electrodes to say build a score board >>>>>> effect where the user perceives say a basic shape of an uppercase E by >>>>>> stimulating the right electrodes in order There is an interesting >>>>>> picture on the net of the first attempts of this taking up 2 racks of >>>>>> computer equipment. I’m absolutely certain you could do the >>>>>> calculations now in an iPhone. The fact is though, once we get to the >>>>>> brain we don’t know much. THere’s over 4 quadrillion discrete chemicals >>>>>> at play not to mention trillions of interconnections. When imaged >>>>>> behavior is also odd. Hearing and site for example trip all sorts of >>>>>> areas all around the brain and in many cases it’s hard to tell the >>>>>> difference of that to someone imagining they are hearing the same thing >>>>>> but sitting quietly. There’s a lot more paralyzation and distributed >>>>>> processing going on there than you’d think and we really have no idea. >>>>>> We’re getting there though, you folks with the artificial hearing blazed >>>>>> a lot of trails, the military is spending huge dollars on this right now >>>>>> to help restore censes lost in returning Vets. I believe they have a >>>>>> system now for artificial arms that will transmit basic touch and there >>>>>> are some hands that can respond to nerve pulses. This is why I always >>>>>> say the real solution to accessibility issues is solving the medical >>>>>> side of the problem and not really adapting the machines although >>>>>> adapting the machines is our best solution today. >>>>>> >>>>>> Great time to be alive! >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Jul 1, 2016, at 2:21 PM, Vaughn Brown <jazzdress...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Scott, I be interested in what you find on Bluetooth. As far as I >>>>>>> know, and did some reading on the Cochlear's site, a clip is required. >>>>>>> I would not mind using a Bluetooth adapter -- especially when wanting >>>>>>> to connect to a Bluetooth speaker for performances situations to block >>>>>>> out the obnoxious bar folks... LOL >>>>>>> You sound like a technology geek. smiles. I'm still split between old >>>>>>> and the new... >>>>>>> Vaughn >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 7/1/16, Devin Prater <d.pra...@me.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> Well, there is VoiceVision, which is dead, no longer updated at all, >>>>>>>> but >>>>>>>> nope, not the vOICe. I’ve brought it up several times, but Peter either >>>>>>>> isn’t receptive to iOS and all, or doesn’t have the money, resources, >>>>>>>> or >>>>>>>> doesn’t see the need to develop for iOS and macOS. >>>>>>>> Sent from my Mac. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Devin Prater >>>>>>>> d.pra...@me.com >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Jul 1, 2016, at 6:41 AM, Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I thought the VOIC was available on IOS, it’s not? I know Android >>>>>>>>> obviously. Peter is on the eyes free list you aught to bring it up, >>>>>>>>> but >>>>>>>>> off list so you don’t get flamed.:) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Once it’s digital and all data the options are far greater. As >>>>>>>>> Sabahattin >>>>>>>>> rightly points out they could have a bad implementation with to many >>>>>>>>> restrictions but the general idea is a good one and we’ll have to see >>>>>>>>> how >>>>>>>>> it appears in it’s final form. You get it though, having a data >>>>>>>>> stream >>>>>>>>> instead of analog signaling would be very advantageous. Just like the >>>>>>>>> switch to digital for broadcasting was beneficial. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Jul 1, 2016, at 7:20 AM, Devin Prater <d.pra...@me.com >>>>>>>>>> <mailto:d.pra...@me.com>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Oh man, video too? I didn’t think of that. Now if only some one would >>>>>>>>>> port the vOICe: seeingwithsound.com <http://seeingwithsound.com/>, to >>>>>>>>>> iOS, then … Then the wheel of fate would really be turning! >>>>>>>>>> Sent from my Mac. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Devin Prater >>>>>>>>>> d.pra...@me.com <mailto:d.pra...@me.com> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 1, 2016, at 6:17 AM, Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net >>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:sc...@qualityip.net>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Devin, that’s the spirit! >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> That’s what I’m saying, some are poopooing the whole idea with out >>>>>>>>>>> even >>>>>>>>>>> seeing it. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I think it was Ricardo that was mentioning the inclusion of health >>>>>>>>>>> censors which could track your health stats while wearing the >>>>>>>>>>> headphones. Your ideas with VR are also good. I had mentioned how >>>>>>>>>>> much >>>>>>>>>>> better noise cancelation would be possible with a digital input. >>>>>>>>>>> What >>>>>>>>>>> about a headset that has both audio and video so think something >>>>>>>>>>> like a >>>>>>>>>>> google glasses plug in. I’ve been thinking about getting an Oculist >>>>>>>>>>> Rift and using that to fly a drone. I finally have time again to >>>>>>>>>>> work >>>>>>>>>>> on that project and I’d like to take stereo audio signals as well as >>>>>>>>>>> head movements to steer the drone and have audible feedback. >>>>>>>>>>> Lightning >>>>>>>>>>> would make that link possible to a phone instead of a laptop or >>>>>>>>>>> desktop. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I like your style.:) >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 1, 2016, at 6:45 AM, Devin Prater <d.pra...@me.com >>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:d.pra...@me.com>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> One thing that interests me is the digital part of Lightning >>>>>>>>>>>> adaptors. >>>>>>>>>>>> Imagine EarPods that can detect what you can and can’t hear as an >>>>>>>>>>>> individual, kind of like MyNoise’s calibration stuff, but through >>>>>>>>>>>> hardware and automatic. Or, it could do noise blocking, or turn >>>>>>>>>>>> down >>>>>>>>>>>> volume when someone talks, or, with Siri maybe, if some one says >>>>>>>>>>>> your >>>>>>>>>>>> name. Then, we get into virtual reality stuff, with games possibly >>>>>>>>>>>> knowing how your head is pointed, if you nod or shake your head, >>>>>>>>>>>> stuff >>>>>>>>>>>> like that. We don’t even know what Apple has dreamed up yet for >>>>>>>>>>>> Lightning headphones. Perhaps, after using them, we’ll feel like >>>>>>>>>>>> regular old headphones are dead and boring, because they can only >>>>>>>>>>>> deal >>>>>>>>>>>> with sound or other analog data. >>>>>>>>>>>> Sent from my Mac. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Devin Prater >>>>>>>>>>>> d.pra...@me.com <mailto:d.pra...@me.com> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 1, 2016, at 5:21 AM, Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net >>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:sc...@qualityip.net>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> See adapters don’t scare me, like you I have piles of them in the >>>>>>>>>>>>> work >>>>>>>>>>>>> bag so I’m ready for what ever situation. Lots of fiber >>>>>>>>>>>>> pigtails, ST >>>>>>>>>>>>> connectors, SC connectors, single and multi mode, ethernet cables, >>>>>>>>>>>>> thunderbolt to ethernet and thunderbolt to VGA, 8th inch to >>>>>>>>>>>>> quarter >>>>>>>>>>>>> inch headphone adapters, and so forth. Even USB to 9 pin serial >>>>>>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>>>>> the console ports on various devices. The Mac needs a good serial >>>>>>>>>>>>> terminal program for that matter. I use putty or the terminal >>>>>>>>>>>>> software under windows but didn’t find Zterm on the Mac >>>>>>>>>>>>> accessible. >>>>>>>>>>>>> One more adapter won’t break me but it might give me cool >>>>>>>>>>>>> connection >>>>>>>>>>>>> options. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 1, 2016, at 6:13 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> And that's agood point, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've got so many adaptors now that I wish there was a standard >>>>>>>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>>>>>> all devices. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lightening or USB C for notebooks and tablets / phones, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've got lightening adaptors for my iPad and iPhone that do >>>>>>>>>>>>>> hdmi,vga,dvi, sd cards, USB and other things, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> If Only they worked in my mac book air! >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now I also would want to see more than one port on the notebooks, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> like the new mac book 12 inch, a couple more USB C ports would >>>>>>>>>>>>>> make >>>>>>>>>>>>>> more sence. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Not just the one they have. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>] On Behalf Of Terje >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Strømberg >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, 30 June 2016 8:13 PM >>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: Mac Group <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cc: Terje Strømberg <terjestrmb...@gmail.com >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:terjestrmb...@gmail.com>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Taking The Headphone Jack Off Phones Is >>>>>>>>>>>>>> User-Hostile and >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stupid, Have Some Dignity >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Actually, there will be adapters that have both lightning and >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3.5mm >>>>>>>>>>>>>> headphone connector on the same unit. Its a strange world. Need >>>>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>>>> adapt. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Take care >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 30. jun. 2016 kl. 09.44 skrev Sabahattin Gucukoglu >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <listse...@me.com >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:listse...@me.com>>: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> More confirmation here: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.macrumors.com/2016/06/29/cirrus-logic-mfi-lightning-headphone-dev-kit/ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.macrumors.com/2016/06/29/cirrus-logic-mfi-lightning-headphone-dev-kit/> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lightning. Still not happy about it, but then I’m not buying an >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> iPhone 7, so it’s OK, for now. Gotta love the Apple pundits >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> continuing to be completely, ahem, tone deaf on the issue. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Scott, I was talking more in the way of degradation to today’s >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> computer speakers over the use of complex physical changers. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yep, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there are crazy workarounds, but there’s still no direct path >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> digital to your speaker system or even boombox; either you’ve >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> got >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> proprietary interfaces to the network or sky-rise vertically >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> integrated systems that know about very specific services, but >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> no >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> general-purpose network interconnect that’ll work no matter the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> digital input source. What we want is for today’s computers and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> smartphones to be able, either wirelessly or with digital AV >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> interfaces, to benefit from the big speakers. That can’t be too >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> much to ask, can it? I’ve been looking into all the various >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> solutions, especially Sonos, but I’m still feeling pretty meh >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it, really. Sure I can build a component system and cable it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> together and use a remote to switch components, but why bother >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> when >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have a working wired and wireless network and all my >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stuff—everything I care about—is all digital now and will become >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> increasingly so as I rip it from analog? I just despair that at >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this golden time of opportunity, all the vendors are going >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> their own >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> separate ways to screw the consumer with closed protocols and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> meshes >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and cordless standards. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As for SD card storage, the only thing I’ll say is that Apple >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rather you pay their prices than wipe your bottom with money, so >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they don’t offer you the choice. But realistically, the SD >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> interface is slow, and if it existed at all it would only be in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> an >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> adaptor form factor anyway; there is simply no use case for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> permanently accessible storage that’s external. Sure I’d love >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but I think Apple are probably right here not to include the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> slot, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all the same. Even on Android a lot of people use SD cards >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> purely >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for data, and not for apps, because the speed difference is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> noticeable. What Apple needs to do is expose SD cards using >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> document providers, and make the file system more useful by >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> making >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it accessible through iOS and from outside from a trusted >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> computer >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or over the network. 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