Hi Scott,

I'm guessing that's not with speakers the 3K?

That sounds bloody amazing shame I don't own this house, I'd knock the living 
room down and build my rooms around the stereo.

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On Behalf Of Scott Granados
Sent: Friday, 2 December 2016 1:24 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Question about the Sonos products

For a goof today I went and looked at a ultra high end receiver.  I mention it 
here on the Mac list because it was very configurable via safari which I 
actually tried and loved.  You can set up all sorts of 32 bit audio processing, 
automatic room equalization, but the kicker, Dolby Atmos and it’s own 
proprietary 3d emersion algorithm along with DTS Neo and several other objected 
oriented DTS formats.  Whoa!  I listened to an 11 channel setup, believe it or 
not, 11.2 where you had 11 channels and 2 subwoofers.  Again, whoa!  Several 
sets of speakers were set in the front for an expanded sound stage in front of 
you, sides, back, and yes over head with 2 subwoofers that automatically adjust 
so the base is distributed evenly around the room rather than from a single 
point.  On the video side it upscaled everything to 4K 60 FPS complete with HDR 
video or you could genitive pass through if you wanted.  You could also break 
up the 11 channels and have different speakers for different zones so say 7.1 
in the mail room and 5.1 in the other or 5.1 and several sets of 2 etc.  The 
thing that blew me away though was the automatic calibration and setup.  What 
would have taken an audio degree in my day to configure used 8 microphone 
pickups that you scatter around the room and it uses pink noise and other 
pulses to set itself up.  Also included WiFi so you can grab your XM or other 
streamed content, it automatically software updated and you could buy extra 
CODECS and decoders for different surround standards.  All for $3000 which 
ain’t bad when you consider how many features you get.  There’s also an App for 
the iPad or iPhone to configure, supports bluetooth and includes preamp outs in 
case the 260 watts per channel CLASS AB amps weren’t good enough that are 
included.  You also get the full 260 watts class AB on all channels, not just 
the fronts.  Each channel has 4 32 bit convertors and they use 4 32 bit audicy 
DSP processors for signal manipulation.  (It does a hell of a lot of math, 
something like 10 billion flops)

You start adding speakers, installation of the speakers, cables, more decoders 
and such and you get in to very tall money very quickly but when I buy my next 
free standing house instead of a town house I know the way I’m going.  The 
other interesting thing it supposedly had a mechanism that isolated the sound 
with in your sound space so you didn’t blow your neighbors out of their units 
next door.  I’m skeptical with over a kw of power.  They didn’t have Sonos at 
this store, wasn’t high enough end for them:) but at least I found myself a 
store that’s still hanging in there against the big box shops and amazon.

> On Dec 1, 2016, at 3:51 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
> 
> Hey David,
> 
> The sub woofer is a beast yes,
> 
> I was looking at the next step for my sound system and whether or not 
> I could have the play bar and 2 subs
> 
> See if it would work, no one can tell me
> 
> But yeah they are bloody easy to setup and use,
> 
> Add more units to a room and then pair each pair together If you play 
> them all as one synced room the sound is syncing perfectly, If 
> theaudio comes through different speakers in different rooms then there will 
> be a delay.
> 
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> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David Chittenden
> Sent: Thursday, 1 December 2016 3:39 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Question about the Sonos products
> 
> Hi Scott,
> 
> We recently set up a Sonos system.
> 
> The Play One is a small speaker. It can do basic stereo sound, or it can work 
> as part of a pair, or as part of a 5.1 surround system. I am not sure about 
> part of a 7.1 system, and Sonos does not yet do upmos for vertical spacial 
> hearing.
> The Play Three and Play 5 can both also function as either a stereo speaker 
> (laid horizontally,, or as the individual side of a stereo pair (laid 
> vertically). Just set it up in the Sonos app.
> 
> My fiancé wanted to hire someone to set up the system, so I agreed that if I 
> could not figure it out fairly quickly, we would bring in an installer. I am 
> good with this sort of thing, but set-up is so simple that she could do it.
> 
> We purchased a PlayBar, two Play Threes, and three Play Ones. I was 
> originally going to match the Play Threes with the PlayBar, but the store 
> only had one in stock, so we put the single Play Three in the bedroom (where 
> I was going to put a Play One. That would leave a play One for the bathroom 
> and a play One for our office. The Play Ones worked so nicely with the 
> PlayBar that the office was upgraded to the other Play Three. Oh, the family 
> room also has the Sonos Sub. I really like this Sub. It is a brick. The 
> speakers are inside and face each other. This allows for excellent deep base 
> without any sub rattling. Sonos says it is because the two speakers facing 
> each other cancels the rattle distortion out.
> 
> All the speakers can play the same thing, or each room can play different 
> things, and changing is very easy in the app. My sighted partner absolutely 
> loves the simplicity of the app. I love its accessibility.
> 
> Sonos states stereo pairs may only be created between two speakers of same 
> type. So, one could use a play Three as center speaker, two Play Fives as 
> front stereo speakers, and two Play Ones or Threes as surrounds, with the Sub 
> for proper 5.1 sound, or one can use the PlayBar for the front with the Sub 
> and surrounds. Sonos performs all the calculations for excellent sound 
> internally within all the speakers. They sound quite good, and my fiancé says 
> they sync perfectly with the visuals.
> 
> When we first started playing music through the surround system, the Play 
> Ones were set on surround enhance mode. I changed it in the Sonos app to have 
> the surrounds act as full speakers for music playback. Sonos remembers the 
> change, and switches automatically depending on whether source is video or 
> music. And, for set-up / video sound, it is just a digital optical cable from 
> the TV to the playBar. Sonos uses the wifi in the house to create its own 
> network. However, if there is no wifi network, the speakers can be connected 
> together with cat5 cables.
> 
> As for sound, I have heard better speakers. A good friend has a pair which 
> cost him $4,000 per speaker. Those sound fantastic. Sonos is not quite that 
> good, and does not play anywhere near as loud. But, they sound better than 
> anything I have owned before. They have excellent sound definition and 
> excellent sound and frequency separation. Each speaker in the unit has its 
> own digital amplifier, and this makes a significant difference. Also, Sonos 
> regularly and automatically rolls out updates. The system updates late at 
> night when not working, and they improve automatically.
> 
> Kind regards,
> 
> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
> Mobile: +61 488 988 936
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 1/12/2016, at 13:59, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi, so I’m looking for the Christmas gift for my Uncle who has everything.  
>> I happen to know he doesn’t have a good home theater though and he likes his 
>> music and TV.  I was looking at the Sonos system and I’m a little unsure how 
>> this works.  I was looking at the play 5.  Do you need two of these for 
>> stereo or do you get stereo sound from 1?  Also, to do 5.1 am I reading on 
>> their site correctly that I’d put a play bar under the TV, run an optical 
>> line to that and then put to play 5 speakers in the back of the room?  Can I 
>> pair more than 2 say 4 if I want to simulate 7.1 or is 5.1 the limit?  I 
>> know the app is accessibility from the list here but how is it for sited 
>> users, very simple?  Anything else I should get with these like speaker 
>> stands or how do they mount, do you need special brackets?  Any pointers 
>> would be most appreciated.  This looks really cool actually I might have to 
>> get one and have another accidentally fall in to the cart.  Can you try 
>> these out at Best Buy or other stores or they only available online?  Any 
>> input would be most appreciated.
>> 
>> Thanks
>> Scott
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