Hi Vaughan,

 Not if your using the IOS 11 beta,
However I did find that if you can use a Bluetooth keyboard and get in to the 
edit mode on the apps with your finger as you would normally then double tap on 
the space bar of the Keyboard I managed to get the delete option to happen 

 So it is still there just notb visible to the voiceover system. -----Original 
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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Vaughn Brown
Sent: Tuesday, 8 August 2017 12:45 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: 7 drastic changes coming to your iPhone with iOS 11 - CNET

Hi,

I am trying to delete apps from my iPhone. The old tapping pattern doesn't seem 
to work any more.
Tahnk you for deconfusing me... LOL
Vaughn

On 8/7/17, Terje Strømberg <terjestrmb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> The Screen Curtain will be a feature for sighted people while driving a car.
> The apple car system with siri. Can be turned off of course.
>
> Take care
>
>
>> Den 7. aug. 2017 kl. 10.27 skrev Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com>:
>>
>> Or try changing the world so that everyone else has to do everything 
>> the blind way!
>>
>> I can't get my work colleagues to use jaws or voiceover on computers 
>> and in a lot of cases I can't get them to turn these products off 
>> instead they just mute the computers,
>>
>> If you think about what you are doing with the phone using voiceover, 
>> your actually not doing a lot differently to that of a sighted user.
>>
>> I have to teach or instruct sighted users how to use and or setup 
>> their phones or tablets be it an IOS device or android.
>>
>> Sometimes it takes a bit of work telling them what they have to find 
>> or should be seeing.
>> But it's what makes me a very valuable member of my team.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of E.T.
>> Sent: Monday, 7 August 2017 4:45 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: 7 drastic changes coming to your iPhone with iOS 11 - 
>> CNET
>>
>>    We share the univers with the sighted population. We are using 
>> mainstream devices. Instead of making noise about the lack of blind 
>> perspectives, appreciate the advancements coming our way and take 
>> comfort in knowing we will not be left behind. If you are 
>> apprehensive about the changes, do not yup0grade for a month or three 
>> and wait until we get the blind perspective on Applevis.
>>
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>   "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>>   mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>>   our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>>   and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>
>>> On 8/6/2017 9:33 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:
>>> What I'm trying to say in a nut shell, I want to do all these things 
>>> with Voice Over and if I knew how to do these new things before the 
>>> operating system came out, I'd be very happy.  I also know we need 
>>> to keep up to date with what's going on but why is it always a 
>>> sighted prospective, as I will learn to do these things with voice 
>>> over as I simply can't use the I phone a sighted way.  I'll give you 
>>> an example.  Most recently when my father got his I phone, he asked 
>>> me something about zoom.  I said to him that I could not understand 
>>> his question because I did not use Zoom and could not understand 
>>> what he wanted to know.  I am around sighted people most of the day 
>>> at work as well as with my family as no one is a blind person there, 
>>> and thus if anyone wants to know anything about the phone, I can 
>>> only explain it in the concept of voice over.  That is what I'm 
>>> trying to say, I am only able to concept the I phone with voice over 
>>> and I can't understand the sighted way.  I would if I had seen but I 
>>> have not and that is why when I read these articles, there is something 
>>> missing, my sight and the frustration begins from my side.
>>>
>>> I hope all of you can understand what I'm trying to say, I am 
>>> reading these articles not because I'm not interested, but because I 
>>> can't do it in the sighted way and that is where my problems begin.  
>>> I will read everything but the lack of sight is making me miss what 
>>> I need to do to use the phone in the way my sighted peers do use it.
>>>
>>> Kawal.
>>>> On 6 Aug 2017, at 17:16, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hello Kawal,
>>>>
>>>> First, I fully appreciate the sentiment of your comments for, like 
>>>> you, I am a visually impaired iPhone user interacting with both iOS 
>>>> and Mac OS via VoiceOver.
>>>>
>>>> Second, the primary purpose of posting the articles is to keep 
>>>> everyone updated on the changing policies, concepts, and general 
>>>> Apple technology news that, sighted or not, affects us all.
>>>>
>>>> Finally, there really is no need for an on-list debate as I will 
>>>> continue to post the articles to the list and those who are not 
>>>> interested can simply delete/ignore them.
>>>>
>>>> Mark
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kawal 
>>>> Gucukoglu
>>>> Sent: Sunday, August 06, 2017 7:44 AM
>>>> To: Macvisionaries
>>>> Subject: Re: 7 drastic changes coming to your iPhone with iOS 11 - 
>>>> CNET
>>>>
>>>> Hello Mark.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for posting these articles.  However, I'd prefer to know 
>>>> what is going to happen to the I phone with Voice Over rather than 
>>>> knowing what a sighted person will be able to do with an I phone 
>>>> because I don't use the phone in the sighted way.  I double tap and 
>>>> interact with my phone using Voice Over.  So all these things would 
>>>> be better if we were going to learn how to do these things with 
>>>> voice over.  After all this is a list for blind users.  If I wanted 
>>>> to know how to use a phone in the way that a sighted person did, then I 
>>>> could find that out in other ways.
>>>> I'm sorry but these articles in my opinion do not belong on a 
>>>> blindness list like this.  Many others will say other wise but I am 
>>>> a blind user using voice over and not a blind person using my phone 
>>>> in the sighted manner of a person who has sight and can use the 
>>>> phone in the main stream kind of way.
>>>> I am not criticising you Mark but just pointing out or trying to 
>>>> understand, what are these articles to do with me as I have no 
>>>> sight to understand all this.
>>>> No doubt I'll have started a fresh debate on this list, so let's 
>>>> have it as I will stand my ground on the fact that I am a blind 
>>>> person unable to use my I phone as a sighted person can.
>>>> Kawal.
>>>>> On 6 Aug 2017, at 05:34, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> CNET How To - Friday, August 4, 2017 at 2:27 PM
>>>>> 7 drastic changes coming to your iPhone with iOS 11 - CNET With 
>>>>> iOS
>>>>> 11 expected to officially launch this fall, it's a good idea to 
>>>>> know just what you're in for after you install the latest and 
>>>>> greatest Apple has to offer to the iPhone. The new OS is full of 
>>>>> small, subtle tweaks, but there are also some bigger changes that 
>>>>> will undoubtedly take some getting used to.
>>>>>
>>>>> Notification Center is no more
>>>>> Jason Cipriani/CNET
>>>>> Well, that's not completely true. It's still there, it's just that 
>>>>> now it's called Cover Sheet.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cover Sheet looks a lot like the standard iOS lock screen and 
>>>>> works in the same manner too. Swipe in either direction on alerts 
>>>>> to take action or clear them. Swipe from either edge of the 
>>>>> display to launch the camera or view your Today panel.
>>>>> Oh, and your notification feed will be broken up into Most Recent 
>>>>> and Earlier Today (Yesterday, and so on) sections.
>>>>>
>>>>> No more Force Touch for quick app switching When Apple announced 
>>>>> the iPhone 6 ($370.79 at Amazon.com), complete with a pressure 
>>>>> sensitive screen, the company also added a shortcut to quickly 
>>>>> switch between apps by pressing on the left edge of the display.
>>>>> With iOS 11, that gesture is gone. Go ahead, press as hard as you 
>>>>> want. It's simply not going to work.
>>>>> Time to go back to double-pressing the home button.
>>>>>
>>>>> Drag-and-drop isn't just for iPad
>>>>> Jason Cipriani/CNET
>>>>> Apple touted the iPad's new drag-and-drop feature when it unveiled 
>>>>> iOS
>>>>> 11 in June, but what the company didn't tell us is the iPhone has 
>>>>> it too; albeit in very limited situations.
>>>>> In the Photos app, for example, you can drag a photo to an album 
>>>>> instead of tapping around.
>>>>> Here's how you can try it: Place a finger on a photo until it 
>>>>> starts to hover. Tap on the Albums tab on the bottom of the screen 
>>>>> (or drag the photo to the tab). Then drop the photo in whichever album 
>>>>> you want.
>>>>> Neat, right?
>>>>>
>>>>> NFC is open for all
>>>>> An example of the NFC prompt coming to the iPhone 7 and 7 Plus 
>>>>> with the release of iOS 11.
>>>>> Screenshot by Jason Cipriani/CNET
>>>>> Apple is finally giving developers access to the iPhone's NFC 
>>>>> capabilities instead of keeping it locked to just Apple Pay.
>>>>> As developers begin to release updates for apps, you will 
>>>>> undoubtedly see the option to scan NFC tags to view more 
>>>>> information about a product or connect to gym equipment, for example.
>>>>> The feature will be limited to the iPhone 7 ($799.45 at Amazon
>>>>> Marketplace) and iPhone 7 Plus ($979.99 at Amazon Marketplace).
>>>>>
>>>>> Control Center is brand new. again Jason Cipriani/CNET When you 
>>>>> swipe up from the bottom of the screen on your iPhone to view 
>>>>> Control Center, you're in for a surprise: The three-panel approach 
>>>>> of iOS 10 is gone.
>>>>> Instead, Control Center is a continuous column of buttons. You can 
>>>>> hard press on buttons for additional options, and add or remove 
>>>>> items from Control Center through the Settings app.
>>>>>
>>>>> App Store has a fresh coat of paint Sarah Tew/CNET A long overdue 
>>>>> change to the App Store is coming. With a more visually appealing, 
>>>>> interactive design, the App Store looks nothing like it used to.
>>>>> The new design will highlight new apps and developers and looks a 
>>>>> lot like Apple Music. Only instead of songs and artists, it's 
>>>>> games and apps.
>>>>> Speaking of which, Apple has finally separated the two categories 
>>>>> into their own respective sections.
>>>>>
>>>>> Screenshot tool is awesome
>>>>> Jason Cipriani/CNET
>>>>> The process of taking a screenshot, editing and then sharing it is 
>>>>> getting streamlined.
>>>>> With iOS 11 installed, when you take a screenshot a small preview 
>>>>> thumbnail will show up in the bottom-left corner. Tap on it to 
>>>>> markup, crop, edit, delete or share.
>>>>>
>>>>> Original Article at:
>>>>> https://www.cnet.com/how-to/drastic-changes-coming-to-your-iphone-
>>>>> wi
>>>>> th
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