Or try changing the world so that everyone else has to do everything the blind 
way!

I can't get my work colleagues to use jaws or voiceover on computers and in a 
lot of cases I can't get them to turn these products off instead they just mute 
the computers,

If you think about what you are doing with the phone using voiceover, your 
actually not doing a lot differently to that of a sighted user.

 I have to teach or instruct sighted users how to use and or setup their phones 
or tablets be it an IOS device or android.

Sometimes it takes a bit of work telling them what they have to find or should 
be seeing.
But it's what makes me a very valuable member of my team.

-----Original Message-----
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of E.T.
Sent: Monday, 7 August 2017 4:45 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: 7 drastic changes coming to your iPhone with iOS 11 - CNET

    We share the univers with the sighted population. We are using mainstream 
devices. Instead of making noise about the lack of blind perspectives, 
appreciate the advancements coming our way and take comfort in knowing we will 
not be left behind. If you are apprehensive about the changes, do not yup0grade 
for a month or three and wait until we get the blind perspective on Applevis.

 From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
   "God for you is where you sweep away all the
   mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
   our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
   and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 8/6/2017 9:33 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:
> What I'm trying to say in a nut shell, I want to do all these things with 
> Voice Over and if I knew how to do these new things before the operating 
> system came out, I'd be very happy.  I also know we need to keep up to date 
> with what's going on but why is it always a sighted prospective, as I will 
> learn to do these things with voice over as I simply can't use the I phone a 
> sighted way.  I'll give you an example.  Most recently when my father got his 
> I phone, he asked me something about zoom.  I said to him that I could not 
> understand his question because I did not use Zoom and could not understand 
> what he wanted to know.  I am around sighted people most of the day at work 
> as well as with my family as no one is a blind person there, and thus if 
> anyone wants to know anything about the phone, I can only explain it in the 
> concept of voice over.  That is what I'm trying to say, I am only able to 
> concept the I phone with voice over and I can't understand the sighted way.  
> I would if I had seen but I have not and that is why when I read these 
> articles, there is something missing, my sight and the frustration begins 
> from my side.
>
> I hope all of you can understand what I'm trying to say, I am reading these 
> articles not because I'm not interested, but because I can't do it in the 
> sighted way and that is where my problems begin.  I will read everything but 
> the lack of sight is making me miss what I need to do to use the phone in the 
> way my sighted peers do use it.
>
> Kawal.
>> On 6 Aug 2017, at 17:16, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu> wrote:
>>
>> Hello Kawal,
>>
>> First, I fully appreciate the sentiment of your comments for, like you, I am 
>> a visually impaired iPhone user interacting with both iOS and Mac OS via 
>> VoiceOver.
>>
>> Second, the primary purpose of posting the articles is to keep everyone 
>> updated on the changing policies, concepts, and general Apple technology 
>> news that, sighted or not, affects us all.
>>
>> Finally, there really is no need for an on-list debate as I will continue to 
>> post the articles to the list and those who are not interested can simply 
>> delete/ignore them.
>>
>> Mark
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kawal Gucukoglu
>> Sent: Sunday, August 06, 2017 7:44 AM
>> To: Macvisionaries
>> Subject: Re: 7 drastic changes coming to your iPhone with iOS 11 - 
>> CNET
>>
>> Hello Mark.
>>
>> Thanks for posting these articles.  However, I'd prefer to know what is 
>> going to happen to the I phone with Voice Over rather than knowing what a 
>> sighted person will be able to do with an I phone because I don't use the 
>> phone in the sighted way.  I double tap and interact with my phone using 
>> Voice Over.  So all these things would be better if we were going to learn 
>> how to do these things with voice over.  After all this is a list for blind 
>> users.  If I wanted to know how to use a phone in the way that a sighted 
>> person did, then I could find that out in other ways.  I'm sorry but these 
>> articles in my opinion do not belong on a blindness list like this.  Many 
>> others will say other wise but I am a blind user using voice over and not a 
>> blind person using my phone in the sighted manner of a person who has sight 
>> and can use the phone in the main stream kind of way.
>> I am not criticising you Mark but just pointing out or trying to understand, 
>> what are these articles to do with me as I have no sight to understand all 
>> this.
>> No doubt I'll have started a fresh debate on this list, so let's have it as 
>> I will stand my ground on the fact that I am a blind person unable to use my 
>> I phone as a sighted person can.
>> Kawal.
>>> On 6 Aug 2017, at 05:34, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu> wrote:
>>>
>>> CNET How To - Friday, August 4, 2017 at 2:27 PM
>>> 7 drastic changes coming to your iPhone with iOS 11 - CNET With iOS 
>>> 11 expected to officially launch this fall, it's a good idea to know 
>>> just what you're in for after you install the latest and greatest 
>>> Apple has to offer to the iPhone. The new OS is full of small, 
>>> subtle tweaks, but there are also some bigger changes that will 
>>> undoubtedly take some getting used to.
>>>
>>> Notification Center is no more
>>> Jason Cipriani/CNET
>>> Well, that's not completely true. It's still there, it's just that 
>>> now it's called Cover Sheet.
>>>
>>> Cover Sheet looks a lot like the standard iOS lock screen and works 
>>> in the same manner too. Swipe in either direction on alerts to take 
>>> action or clear them. Swipe from either edge of the display to 
>>> launch the camera or view your Today panel.
>>> Oh, and your notification feed will be broken up into Most Recent 
>>> and Earlier Today (Yesterday, and so on) sections.
>>>
>>> No more Force Touch for quick app switching When Apple announced the 
>>> iPhone 6 ($370.79 at Amazon.com), complete with a pressure sensitive 
>>> screen, the company also added a shortcut to quickly switch between 
>>> apps by pressing on the left edge of the display.
>>> With iOS 11, that gesture is gone. Go ahead, press as hard as you 
>>> want. It's simply not going to work.
>>> Time to go back to double-pressing the home button.
>>>
>>> Drag-and-drop isn't just for iPad
>>> Jason Cipriani/CNET
>>> Apple touted the iPad's new drag-and-drop feature when it unveiled 
>>> iOS
>>> 11 in June, but what the company didn't tell us is the iPhone has it 
>>> too; albeit in very limited situations.
>>> In the Photos app, for example, you can drag a photo to an album 
>>> instead of tapping around.
>>> Here's how you can try it: Place a finger on a photo until it starts 
>>> to hover. Tap on the Albums tab on the bottom of the screen (or drag 
>>> the photo to the tab). Then drop the photo in whichever album you want. 
>>> Neat, right?
>>>
>>> NFC is open for all
>>> An example of the NFC prompt coming to the iPhone 7 and 7 Plus with 
>>> the release of iOS 11.
>>> Screenshot by Jason Cipriani/CNET
>>> Apple is finally giving developers access to the iPhone's NFC 
>>> capabilities instead of keeping it locked to just Apple Pay.
>>> As developers begin to release updates for apps, you will 
>>> undoubtedly see the option to scan NFC tags to view more information 
>>> about a product or connect to gym equipment, for example.
>>> The feature will be limited to the iPhone 7 ($799.45 at Amazon
>>> Marketplace) and iPhone 7 Plus ($979.99 at Amazon Marketplace).
>>>
>>> Control Center is brand new. again
>>> Jason Cipriani/CNET
>>> When you swipe up from the bottom of the screen on your iPhone to 
>>> view Control Center, you're in for a surprise: The three-panel 
>>> approach of iOS 10 is gone.
>>> Instead, Control Center is a continuous column of buttons. You can 
>>> hard press on buttons for additional options, and add or remove 
>>> items from Control Center through the Settings app.
>>>
>>> App Store has a fresh coat of paint
>>> Sarah Tew/CNET
>>> A long overdue change to the App Store is coming. With a more 
>>> visually appealing, interactive design, the App Store looks nothing like it 
>>> used to.
>>> The new design will highlight new apps and developers and looks a 
>>> lot like Apple Music. Only instead of songs and artists, it's games and 
>>> apps.
>>> Speaking of which, Apple has finally separated the two categories 
>>> into their own respective sections.
>>>
>>> Screenshot tool is awesome
>>> Jason Cipriani/CNET
>>> The process of taking a screenshot, editing and then sharing it is 
>>> getting streamlined.
>>> With iOS 11 installed, when you take a screenshot a small preview 
>>> thumbnail will show up in the bottom-left corner. Tap on it to 
>>> markup, crop, edit, delete or share.
>>>
>>> Original Article at:
>>> https://www.cnet.com/how-to/drastic-changes-coming-to-your-iphone-wi
>>> th
>>> -ios-1
>>> 1/#ftag=CAD5457c2c
>>>
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