We share the univers with the sighted population. We are using mainstream devices. Instead of making noise about the lack of blind perspectives, appreciate the advancements coming our way and take comfort in knowing we will not be left behind. If you are apprehensive about the changes, do not yup0grade for a month or three and wait until we get the blind perspective on Applevis.

From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
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  mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
  our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
  and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
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On 8/6/2017 9:33 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:
What I'm trying to say in a nut shell, I want to do all these things with Voice 
Over and if I knew how to do these new things before the operating system came 
out, I'd be very happy.  I also know we need to keep up to date with what's 
going on but why is it always a sighted prospective, as I will learn to do 
these things with voice over as I simply can't use the I phone a sighted way.  
I'll give you an example.  Most recently when my father got his I phone, he 
asked me something about zoom.  I said to him that I could not understand his 
question because I did not use Zoom and could not understand what he wanted to 
know.  I am around sighted people most of the day at work as well as with my 
family as no one is a blind person there, and thus if anyone wants to know 
anything about the phone, I can only explain it in the concept of voice over.  
That is what I'm trying to say, I am only able to concept the I phone with 
voice over and I can't understand the sighted way.  I would if I had seen but I 
have not and that is why when I read these articles, there is something 
missing, my sight and the frustration begins from my side.

I hope all of you can understand what I'm trying to say, I am reading these 
articles not because I'm not interested, but because I can't do it in the 
sighted way and that is where my problems begin.  I will read everything but 
the lack of sight is making me miss what I need to do to use the phone in the 
way my sighted peers do use it.

Kawal.
On 6 Aug 2017, at 17:16, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu> wrote:

Hello Kawal,

First, I fully appreciate the sentiment of your comments for, like you, I am a 
visually impaired iPhone user interacting with both iOS and Mac OS via 
VoiceOver.

Second, the primary purpose of posting the articles is to keep everyone updated 
on the changing policies, concepts, and general Apple technology news that, 
sighted or not, affects us all.

Finally, there really is no need for an on-list debate as I will continue to 
post the articles to the list and those who are not interested can simply 
delete/ignore them.

Mark

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On Behalf Of Kawal Gucukoglu
Sent: Sunday, August 06, 2017 7:44 AM
To: Macvisionaries
Subject: Re: 7 drastic changes coming to your iPhone with iOS 11 - CNET

Hello Mark.

Thanks for posting these articles.  However, I'd prefer to know what is going 
to happen to the I phone with Voice Over rather than knowing what a sighted 
person will be able to do with an I phone because I don't use the phone in the 
sighted way.  I double tap and interact with my phone using Voice Over.  So all 
these things would be better if we were going to learn how to do these things 
with voice over.  After all this is a list for blind users.  If I wanted to 
know how to use a phone in the way that a sighted person did, then I could find 
that out in other ways.  I'm sorry but these articles in my opinion do not 
belong on a blindness list like this.  Many others will say other wise but I am 
a blind user using voice over and not a blind person using my phone in the 
sighted manner of a person who has sight and can use the phone in the main 
stream kind of way.
I am not criticising you Mark but just pointing out or trying to understand, 
what are these articles to do with me as I have no sight to understand all this.
No doubt I'll have started a fresh debate on this list, so let's have it as I 
will stand my ground on the fact that I am a blind person unable to use my I 
phone as a sighted person can.
Kawal.
On 6 Aug 2017, at 05:34, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu> wrote:

CNET How To - Friday, August 4, 2017 at 2:27 PM
7 drastic changes coming to your iPhone with iOS 11 - CNET With iOS 11
expected to officially launch this fall, it's a good idea to know just
what you're in for after you install the latest and greatest Apple has
to offer to the iPhone. The new OS is full of small, subtle tweaks,
but there are also some bigger changes that will undoubtedly take some
getting used to.

Notification Center is no more
Jason Cipriani/CNET
Well, that's not completely true. It's still there, it's just that now
it's called Cover Sheet.

Cover Sheet looks a lot like the standard iOS lock screen and works in
the same manner too. Swipe in either direction on alerts to take
action or clear them. Swipe from either edge of the display to launch
the camera or view your Today panel.
Oh, and your notification feed will be broken up into Most Recent and
Earlier Today (Yesterday, and so on) sections.

No more Force Touch for quick app switching When Apple announced the
iPhone 6 ($370.79 at Amazon.com), complete with a pressure sensitive
screen, the company also added a shortcut to quickly switch between
apps by pressing on the left edge of the display.
With iOS 11, that gesture is gone. Go ahead, press as hard as you
want. It's simply not going to work.
Time to go back to double-pressing the home button.

Drag-and-drop isn't just for iPad
Jason Cipriani/CNET
Apple touted the iPad's new drag-and-drop feature when it unveiled iOS
11 in June, but what the company didn't tell us is the iPhone has it
too; albeit in very limited situations.
In the Photos app, for example, you can drag a photo to an album
instead of tapping around.
Here's how you can try it: Place a finger on a photo until it starts
to hover. Tap on the Albums tab on the bottom of the screen (or drag
the photo to the tab). Then drop the photo in whichever album you want. Neat, 
right?

NFC is open for all
An example of the NFC prompt coming to the iPhone 7 and 7 Plus with
the release of iOS 11.
Screenshot by Jason Cipriani/CNET
Apple is finally giving developers access to the iPhone's NFC
capabilities instead of keeping it locked to just Apple Pay.
As developers begin to release updates for apps, you will undoubtedly
see the option to scan NFC tags to view more information about a
product or connect to gym equipment, for example.
The feature will be limited to the iPhone 7 ($799.45 at Amazon
Marketplace) and iPhone 7 Plus ($979.99 at Amazon Marketplace).

Control Center is brand new. again
Jason Cipriani/CNET
When you swipe up from the bottom of the screen on your iPhone to view
Control Center, you're in for a surprise: The three-panel approach of
iOS 10 is gone.
Instead, Control Center is a continuous column of buttons. You can
hard press on buttons for additional options, and add or remove items
from Control Center through the Settings app.

App Store has a fresh coat of paint
Sarah Tew/CNET
A long overdue change to the App Store is coming. With a more visually
appealing, interactive design, the App Store looks nothing like it used to.
The new design will highlight new apps and developers and looks a lot
like Apple Music. Only instead of songs and artists, it's games and apps.
Speaking of which, Apple has finally separated the two categories into
their own respective sections.

Screenshot tool is awesome
Jason Cipriani/CNET
The process of taking a screenshot, editing and then sharing it is
getting streamlined.
With iOS 11 installed, when you take a screenshot a small preview
thumbnail will show up in the bottom-left corner. Tap on it to markup,
crop, edit, delete or share.

Original Article at:
https://www.cnet.com/how-to/drastic-changes-coming-to-your-iphone-with
-ios-1
1/#ftag=CAD5457c2c


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