Hi, When you hear announcements like "Security Agent has no windows", or similarly with some other agent, this is an invisible layer that sighted users would never notice, but because we want VO to notice just about everything, those agents often take over VO focus. Normally, cmd-tab, a physical click of the mouse or trackpad button, or in some cases, the virtual click with VO-shift-space will bring focus back to the Finder. After focus is on the Finder, you should be able to use the Application Chooser, or Window Chooser to locate the necessary entry area. Note that the Security agent is a call to a process, thus the entry area is not a window that belongs to the Security Agent, so doing the Window Chooser while VO focus is within the security Agent will not be successful.
Hope this makes sense. Later... Tim Kilburn Apple Teacher (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition) Fort McMurray, AB Canada On Oct 13, 2018, at 14:18, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote: Unless I am mistaken, I hear "security agent has no window". And thus, I have never been able to find it with the chooser. >From E.T.'s Keyboard... ancient.ali...@icloud.com Many believe that we have been visited in the past. What if it were true? On 10/13/2018 1:10 PM, Mike Arrigo wrote: > I had tried that, unfortunately this one does not show as a system dialog, at > least it only happens on one of my macs and not all of them. >> On Oct 13, 2018, at 1:36 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries >> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> On my MBP with TouchBar, the Touch ID or password request does appear >> normally without extra interventions. I recommend you use the method >> suggested by Oriol, whereby you use the Application Chooser, VO-f1-f1. An >> item named System Dialogs should be there, select it then go right and down >> to the appropriate window. You should easily be able to enter your password >> in this situation. There are a number of situations where System dialogs >> are present, but not readily noticeable to us, but sighted users see them >> plainly in the way of whatever we are focused on as VO users. >> >> Later... >> >> Tim Kilburn >> Apple Teacher >> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition) >> Fort McMurray, AB Canada >> >> On Oct 13, 2018, at 11:25, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries >> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote: >> >> That is why I bother with clean installs, to make sure issues do not carry >> over. I also have a MBP. >> >> From E.T.'s Keyboard... >> ancient.ali...@icloud.com >> Many believe that we have been visited >> in the past. What if it were true? >> >> On 10/13/2018 10:15 AM, Mike Arrigo wrote: >>> I noticed that as well, I did need to enter my mac password, whenever there >>> is a new major release of the operating system, I always erase my drive and >>> do a clean install to give everything a fresh start. >>>> On Oct 13, 2018, at 10:31 AM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries >>>> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> If you can see a little, increase the mouse pointer size. >>>> >>>> High Sierra has the same issue and I was hopeful it would be gone in >>>> Mojave. >>>> >>>> As to Dropbox, if the app is already installed and you are prompted to >>>> sign in, while VO will speak the fields as you navigate, it will not echo >>>> what you are typing in. Enter your user ID then move VO and back so it >>>> will read it to you. I have made Dropbox very aware of this but they need >>>> to hear from others too.. >>>> >>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard... >>>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com >>>> Many believe that we have been visited >>>> in the past. What if it were true? >>>> >>>> On 10/13/2018 6:58 AM, Mike Arrigo wrote: >>>>> I did get it to work but it really is a pain, you have to use the >>>>> trackpad to get the mouse in t the window and then click it, I will >>>>> definitely be sending a report to Apple on this one, it will be >>>>> interesting to see if it happens with my mac minis as well. >>>>>> On Oct 13, 2018, at 8:41 AM, Mike Arrigo <n0...@charter.net> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> I will try Ann's suggestion, just doing vo+shift+space does not seem to >>>>>> work, I'm actually surprised this got through testing, I would consider >>>>>> this to be a major bug or a show stopper, I may consider going back to >>>>>> high sierra since I never had the problem there. >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Oct 13, 2018, at 8:32 AM, Mike Arrigo <n0...@charter.net> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Interesting, never had the problem in Sierra, that makes sense though, >>>>>>> to do a mouse click on the window. I can see good enough to know that >>>>>>> there is a box on the screen, I just can't read it or see good enough >>>>>>> to move the mouse to it, that is a major bug, I will try the mouse >>>>>>> click idea. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Oct 12, 2018, at 11:08 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries >>>>>>>> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> This has carried over from High Sierra. It is worse in Mojave. Its hit >>>>>>>> and miss. When you hear the "security agent has no window" press VO >>>>>>>> plus shift plus space. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard... >>>>>>>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com >>>>>>>> Many believe that we have been visited >>>>>>>> in the past. What if it were true? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 10/12/2018 9:03 PM, Mike Arrigo wrote: >>>>>>>>> Hey everyone, ok, found an odd issue with Mojave, wonder if anyone >>>>>>>>> else has seen this, I'm not sure if it's voiceover related or the >>>>>>>>> operating system itself. When moving or copying files to any place >>>>>>>>> outside of your home folder, you are normally prompted for your >>>>>>>>> password. However, in Mojave, voiceover says security agent has no >>>>>>>>> windows, a finder window appears saying that it's preparing to copy >>>>>>>>> files but since there is no way to enter the password, the only way >>>>>>>>> out of this window is to force the finder to relaunch. This is on my >>>>>>>>> new macbook air, have not tried it on my mac minis yet. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> The following information is important for all members of the Mac >>>>>>>> Visionaries list. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, >>>>>>>> or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact >>>>>>>> the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list >>>>>>>> itself. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. 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