Hello, If I may, I would like to point out that all navigation through elements on a web page can be done with one hand and you don't need to remember a lot of keys. When in dom. mode, press the left and right arrows at the same time to enter quick nav mode. Now, press the left-up or right-up to cycle through the navigation items in the roter. Then, navigate through the chosen element with the up or down keys.
As far as returning to the prior place in a web page, I have not found it to be non existent. There are many times that it works, although, I would like to see it work more consistently. I haven't found any screen reader do it very well. I would also like to say that I never found any of the vo key strokes to be difficult and I never understood why some people seemed to have such a hang-up with them. There are some circumstances where one might need to perform a task with only one hand, and I think that it was some what of a legitimate concern earlier on. As I pointed out however, that issue has been addressed with quick nav. On Feb 11, 2010, at 6:23 PM, Mary Otten wrote: > Hi Scott, > I'm not Linda, but I had to respond to your note to her re the differences > between moving around on a page among elements with Window Eyes or Jaws and > Voice Over. You said that you didn't see much difference between pressing h > by itself or pressing 3 additional keys in addition to h to move among > headers. And you say this is easily done with one hand? You must have amazing > hands. I can no way do that. I've been touch typing for decades. It gets even > more interesting when you add the shift into the mix to go up the page in > reverse order. Doable? yes? As easy as pressing one key? Not by a long shot. > Are there other benefits, such as not having to go in and out of forms mode? > for sure. The added functionality for VO on the web in Snow Leopard is one of > the main reasons I decided to try a Mac. I really appreciate the numpad > commander, although learning it was not as intuitive as learning mnemonics on > the regular keyboard. In no way is the rotor as efficient for me as having > that array of single letter keystrokes that let me move among various web > elements at will. Another thing I hope can be implemented in the future is a > means of letting focus return to where it was when you return back to a > previously visited page. That's a big time saver with the Windows screen > readers, although it doesn't always work. Its nonexistent with vo. I like > the fact that pages seem to load faster with Safari than they do with IE and > a screen reader. Over all, for me, the Windows experience is still more > efficient. But there are pluses with the Mac, and I'm hoping it will keep > improving. Group mode is something I have tried and dropped. I just never > found a page where it seemed to offer any advantage, since I don't really > care how the page is laid out. I want info and where it is on the page just > doesn't seem very important to me, so long as I can get to it efficiently. > Maybe I don't go to the right sites where group mode's benefits are displayed > to best advantage. > > Mary > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
