Dear Janina, Ok, so I have gone ahead and installed Homebrew. Everything seems to have gone ok apart from the fact that after executing the command to install Homebrew, I got a warning message saying that this installation was old and unsupported and whether I wanted to go ahead. I ddid go ahead with it. In the instructions on the web page it says to run the command Homebrew doctor to make sure whether the installation has been executed successfully. I did run the command but obtained no feedback. One point I should have clarified is that I have installed Homebrew on Mac OS Sierra I run on this particular machine. I’m still in Sierra on this laptop because of the Greek voice which I need and which was broken in High Sierra and has not been fixed by Apple since although I’ve been reporting it for over 4 years. So I(i have to keep this computer behind. I might try to install Homebrew on Catalina later.
Janina, you say something about Nano editor. Should I already have it on my mac, or do I need to download it? I’ve paused going ahead with the rest of the instructions until I hear from you on Nano Editor. Don’t want to break anything. <smile> Andrew > On 30 Mar 2020, at 10:59, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries > <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote: > > Hi, Andrew: > > I can, and sbelow will, walk you through getting homebrew installed on > your Mac. It's just useful to have it. > > What it does: Allows you to run a lot of Linux utilities directly on > your Mac terminal. > > Now, for tdsr, which I presume means something like "terminal desktop > screen readner,' or something similar. I'm just guessing ... > > I got it running. I launched while ssh'd into my machine. That did > several things: > > * Launched tdsr on my Mac Airbook. That's a good thing. > > * Made my Mac respond with speech to every command I typed in my > * ssh session. That's a bad thing. > > * The Mac would not respond to a tap of the Ctrl. That's a bad > * thing. Shutting speech up is almost as important as getting > * speech happening. You can't be efficient if you can't stop > * speech, and go on to your next command. And, every platform out > * there, Windows, Mac, Linux all the screen readers shutup when > * you tap Ctrl. Maybe that's in the configuration part I didn't > * yet deal with, but it should be a builtin default, imo. > > * Doing Alt-TAB on the Mac didn't shut TDSR up either. That's also > * a bad thing, imo. A terminal level application should be > * sufficiently context aware to know when it's no longer the > * foreground app and the right thing in that situation, again imo, > * is to shut up immediately. > > So, I'm going to show you homebroew, I even suggest you get it for the > silly little calculator script I provided in another email. You do want > to start writing scripts fairly soon, but I don't know whether tdsr is > ready for serious use just yet. > > So, with that disclaimer, here's a web page with very good instructions > on installing and using homebrew: > > https://www.studytonight.com/post/what-is-homebrew-and-how-to-install-it-on-mac-osx > > NOTE: There's a step in the above web page where they have you use an > application called nano to edit your .bash_profile file. Nano is OK, > though not as good as vim or emacs. For now, no problem using it, but > you will need to pick up vim or emacs in the next couple months--another > conversation. > > I digress. You do want to edit, probably .zshrc -- but as I said in that > entertained you (you're welcome, we do all need a smile early and often > each day) I'm not up to speed on just those kinds of facts. It's part of > why I haven't jumped ship from bash to zsh yet myself. What do I do with > all my profile customizations? > > Anyway, the explanation of why you want /usr/local in your path ahead of > everything else is very spot on. The how to do it in zsh is where I'm > stumbling. > > Best, > > Janina > > > 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries writes: >> Janina, >> >> I’ve looked carefully at Greg’s suggestion and then did a search for >> Homebrew and TDSR and since the only thing i understand about Python is that >> it is one of the programming languages, I thought I’m too green around the >> gills to even attempt to play around with TDSR in case I mess up my mac. >> Would you agree? <smile> >> >> Andrew >>> On 30 Mar 2020, at 06:32, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries >>> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote: >>> >>> Thanks for the reminder, Greg. I'm just now starting the install of >>> TDSR. For me that means an update of homebrew, followed by an upgrade of >>> python3, and that is taking quite some time. >>> >>> Hopeing the result will truly be easier to use than VO in the terminal, >>> as you suggest. That would be a good thing, imo. >>> >>> Best, >>> >>> Janina >>> >>> Greg Wocher writes: >>>> Hello, >>>> You might want to try the TDSR console screen reader for Mac. It makes >>>> working with the terminal a bit easier. It can be found at: >>>> https://github.com/tspivey/tdsr <https://github.com/tspivey/tdsr> >>>> >>>> Greg Wocher >>>> >>>>> On Mar 29, 2020, at 10:21 AM, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries >>>>> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hi, >>>>> >>>>> When working in Terminal and command line, is it possible to examine the >>>>> window content with Voiceover? Say , ls -l command produces a list of >>>>> files in the directory I am in. How can I examine each file and maybe >>>>> even copy their names to clipboard or details about them if I were to use >>>>> the -l flag, which would produce long information about each item. >>>>> >>>>> Secondly, reading a book on Command Line, one of the shortcut techniques >>>>> the author teaches is to start typing the name of a directory to which >>>>> one wishes to change and then pressing tab, which would result in >>>>> Terminal completing the name or else giving a list of available names if >>>>> there should be more than one. This doesn’t seem to work. When I press >>>>> the tab, I hear the ominous bong bong. So this technique doesn’t work. >>>>> Any thoughts on this? >>>>> >>>>> andrew >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> The following information is important for all members of the Mac >>>>> Visionaries list. >>>>> >>>>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or >>>>> if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the >>>>> owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. >>>>> >>>>> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. 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