Hey Andrew, What you’ve done sounds great congrats,
And don’t become an alcoholic, Become a drunkid Alcoholics have to go to meetings Drunkids just keep drinking. From: 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, 31 March 2020 7:08 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: A couple Terminal questions Hello Janina, I think I’ve done it. I’ve made TDSR talk with Daniel, British voice. I’m exhausted and my nerves are jangling but I’m so glad. by the time I become a mediocre cli user, I shall probably become an alcoholic too. <smile> I got the same warning message I’m pasting just underneath: "You will encounter build failures with some formulae. Please create pull requests instead of asking for help on Homebrew's GitHub, Discourse, Twitter or IRC. You are responsible for resolving any issues you experience while you are running this old version.” But then I proceeded to reinstall python and as soon as I issued the command a brief message flashed across the screen saying updating Homebrew, so maybe Homebrew has been updated. It would appear from what I’ve been reading on installation instructions that Sierra is supported but it says as best as possible. I guess Sierra was the first 64bit MacOs. The rest of the installation went well and when I issued the final command ~/tdsr/tdsr I heard the familiar Daniel voice. How fabulous! On the same page, I’ve found instructions for installing TDSR on Linux, so I will try to do it too. Should I be doing it as root? By the way, talking of root, when I’m logged in as user, how do i find out whether I’ve given myself sudo privileges or not? If not, can I still do it, or do I have to repeat the installation? The instructions for linux tell me to install speech dispatcher and Python3. Would I use the command. Install for them both and is speech dispatcher for installation purposes spelt as two words or one or with a hyphen? Thank you very much again, Janina, for your help. I’m a bit anxious having imposed on you and your time so do feel free to let me know if it’s too much. Well, back to Joe Kissell’s Tutorial on Mastering the Command line in MacOS. Oh, one more thing. I tried to change the shell in Terminal from Bash to Zsh with chsh /bin/zsh but it didn’t take. Is it because I’m still running this Terminal on Sierra/. I’ve succeeded on my Catalina machine. Andrew On 30 Mar 2020, at 15:44, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> wrote: Hi Again, Andrew: Yeah, I can't say for sure, but I think I must have steered you to an out of date repository. I checked with my installation which runs as expected and got the following pointer: https://docs.brew.sh If you go there and follow the Installation link, you should have up to date instructions. They're definitely different! Like everyone else, seems homebrew brews on github, too! My guess is that it will say something about an out of date or partial install, and ask to remove or overwrite it. You'll happily say yes! Or, it will just do it. Let me know how it goes. Janina 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries writes: Hi, Andrew: Homebrew should be fine with Sierra. It's possible the link in the page you got from me was old. That would explain the error you got. So, I'm thinking good clear instructions, but an old, out of date web pointer. I'll check that out for you. Meanwhile, there's no damage done. You just don't have a usable homebrew. More soon. Best, Janina 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries writes: Dear Janina, Ok, so I have gone ahead and installed Homebrew. Everything seems to have gone ok apart from the fact that after executing the command to install Homebrew, I got a warning message saying that this installation was old and unsupported and whether I wanted to go ahead. I ddid go ahead with it. In the instructions on the web page it says to run the command Homebrew doctor to make sure whether the installation has been executed successfully. I did run the command but obtained no feedback. One point I should have clarified is that I have installed Homebrew on Mac OS Sierra I run on this particular machine. I’m still in Sierra on this laptop because of the Greek voice which I need and which was broken in High Sierra and has not been fixed by Apple since although I’ve been reporting it for over 4 years. So I(i have to keep this computer behind. I might try to install Homebrew on Catalina later. Janina, you say something about Nano editor. Should I already have it on my mac, or do I need to download it? I’ve paused going ahead with the rest of the instructions until I hear from you on Nano Editor. Don’t want to break anything. <smile> Andrew On 30 Mar 2020, at 10:59, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> wrote: Hi, Andrew: I can, and sbelow will, walk you through getting homebrew installed on your Mac. It's just useful to have it. What it does: Allows you to run a lot of Linux utilities directly on your Mac terminal. Now, for tdsr, which I presume means something like "terminal desktop screen readner,' or something similar. I'm just guessing ... I got it running. I launched while ssh'd into my machine. That did several things: * Launched tdsr on my Mac Airbook. That's a good thing. * Made my Mac respond with speech to every command I typed in my * ssh session. That's a bad thing. * The Mac would not respond to a tap of the Ctrl. That's a bad * thing. Shutting speech up is almost as important as getting * speech happening. You can't be efficient if you can't stop * speech, and go on to your next command. And, every platform out * there, Windows, Mac, Linux all the screen readers shutup when * you tap Ctrl. Maybe that's in the configuration part I didn't * yet deal with, but it should be a builtin default, imo. * Doing Alt-TAB on the Mac didn't shut TDSR up either. That's also * a bad thing, imo. A terminal level application should be * sufficiently context aware to know when it's no longer the * foreground app and the right thing in that situation, again imo, * is to shut up immediately. So, I'm going to show you homebroew, I even suggest you get it for the silly little calculator script I provided in another email. You do want to start writing scripts fairly soon, but I don't know whether tdsr is ready for serious use just yet. So, with that disclaimer, here's a web page with very good instructions on installing and using homebrew: https://www.studytonight.com/post/what-is-homebrew-and-how-to-install-it-on-mac-osx NOTE: There's a step in the above web page where they have you use an application called nano to edit your .bash_profile file. Nano is OK, though not as good as vim or emacs. For now, no problem using it, but you will need to pick up vim or emacs in the next couple months--another conversation. I digress. You do want to edit, probably .zshrc -- but as I said in that entertained you (you're welcome, we do all need a smile early and often each day) I'm not up to speed on just those kinds of facts. It's part of why I haven't jumped ship from bash to zsh yet myself. What do I do with all my profile customizations? Anyway, the explanation of why you want /usr/local in your path ahead of everything else is very spot on. The how to do it in zsh is where I'm stumbling. Best, Janina 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries writes: Janina, I’ve looked carefully at Greg’s suggestion and then did a search for Homebrew and TDSR and since the only thing i understand about Python is that it is one of the programming languages, I thought I’m too green around the gills to even attempt to play around with TDSR in case I mess up my mac. Would you agree? <smile> Andrew On 30 Mar 2020, at 06:32, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> wrote: Thanks for the reminder, Greg. I'm just now starting the install of TDSR. For me that means an update of homebrew, followed by an upgrade of python3, and that is taking quite some time. Hopeing the result will truly be easier to use than VO in the terminal, as you suggest. That would be a good thing, imo. Best, Janina Greg Wocher writes: Hello, You might want to try the TDSR console screen reader for Mac. It makes working with the terminal a bit easier. It can be found at: https://github.com/tspivey/tdsr <https://github.com/tspivey/tdsr> Greg Wocher On Mar 29, 2020, at 10:21 AM, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> wrote: Hi, When working in Terminal and command line, is it possible to examine the window content with Voiceover? Say , ls -l command produces a list of files in the directory I am in. How can I examine each file and maybe even copy their names to clipboard or details about them if I were to use the -l flag, which would produce long information about each item. Secondly, reading a book on Command Line, one of the shortcut techniques the author teaches is to start typing the name of a directory to which one wishes to change and then pressing tab, which would result in Terminal completing the name or else giving a list of available names if there should be more than one. This doesn’t seem to work. When I press the tab, I hear the ominous bong bong. 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