Hi, Andrew: Wow. You are moving forward quickly, Andrew. Congratulations!
Quick Comment: I wouldn't worry about TDSR on Linux, unless you want to compare and contrast between it and Speakup and/or Fenrir. Of course, if you prefer it to those other two, by all means add it to your Linux! It also sounds like your homebew got updated. It will do that when necessary, and as you learned, it's capable of handling situations where there are issues to clean up. Out of curiosity I ran 'brew doctor' on my Airbook and got a list of things I should deal with at some point! As for sudo ... It's pretty similar to Linux. As root you run visudo and look near the bottom for a comment that says something about granting any user that's a member of wheel access, then look at the two statements below that and uncomment those if you want your ordinary user to be able to do those things. Save and exit visudo. Then, you need to add your ordinary user to the wheel group. On Linux you edit /etc/group to do that, find the wheel line, go to the end, add a comma followed by your ordinary user login. On Mac it's a little different. I found a page of instructions here: https://superuser.com/q/214004 With this done you can run commands as your ordinary user: sudo <command plus arguments> And, if you forget to put the sudo up front--which we all forget that eventually, don't retype the entire command, instead do: sudo !! To actually become super-user, i.e. root: do: sudo -i OK. That's it for today. I'm fried. I've been up some 21 hours. I'm waiting for a grocery delivery. Once they come and the groceries are put away, I'm off to b$ Best, Janina 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries writes: > Hello Janina, > > I think I’ve done it. I’ve made TDSR talk with Daniel, British voice. I’m > exhausted and my nerves are jangling but I’m so glad. by the time I become a > mediocre cli user, I shall probably become an alcoholic too. <smile> > > I got the same warning message I’m pasting just underneath: > "You will encounter build failures with some formulae. > Please create pull requests instead of asking for help on Homebrew's GitHub, > Discourse, Twitter or IRC. You are responsible for resolving any issues you > experience while you are running this old version.” > But then I proceeded to reinstall python and as soon as I issued the command > a brief message flashed across the screen saying updating Homebrew, so maybe > Homebrew has been updated. It would appear from what I’ve been reading on > installation instructions that Sierra is supported but it says as best as > possible. I guess Sierra was the first 64bit MacOs. The rest of the > installation went well and when I issued the final command ~/tdsr/tdsr I > heard the familiar Daniel voice. How fabulous! > > On the same page, I’ve found instructions for installing TDSR on Linux, so I > will try to do it too. Should I be doing it as root? By the way, talking of > root, when I’m logged in as user, how do i find out whether I’ve given myself > sudo privileges or not? If not, can I still do it, or do I have to repeat > the installation? The instructions for linux tell me to install speech > dispatcher and Python3. Would I use the command. Install for them both and > is speech dispatcher for installation purposes spelt as two words or one or > with a hyphen? > > Thank you very much again, Janina, for your help. I’m a bit anxious having > imposed on you and your time so do feel free to let me know if it’s too much. > > Well, back to Joe Kissell’s Tutorial on Mastering the Command line in MacOS. > Oh, one more thing. I tried to change the shell in Terminal from Bash to Zsh > with chsh /bin/zsh but it didn’t take. Is it because I’m still running this > Terminal on Sierra/. I’ve succeeded on my Catalina machine. > > Andrew > > On 30 Mar 2020, at 15:44, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Hi Again, Andrew: > > > > Yeah, I can't say for sure, but I think I must have steered you to an > > out of date repository. > > > > I checked with my installation which runs as expected and got the > > following pointer: > > > > https://docs.brew.sh > > > > > > If you go there and follow the Installation link, you should have up to > > date instructions. They're definitely different! Like everyone else, > > seems homebrew brews on github, too! > > > > My guess is that it will say something about an out of date or partial > > install, and ask to remove or overwrite it. You'll happily say yes! > > > > Or, it will just do it. > > > > Let me know how it goes. > > > > Janina > > > > 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries writes: > >> Hi, Andrew: > >> > >> Homebrew should be fine with Sierra. It's possible the link in the page > >> you got from me was old. That would explain the error you got. > >> > >> So, I'm thinking good clear instructions, but an old, out of date web > >> pointer. > >> > >> I'll check that out for you. Meanwhile, there's no damage done. You just > >> don't have a usable homebrew. More soon. > >> > >> Best, > >> > >> Janina > >> > >> 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries writes: > >>> Dear Janina, > >>> > >>> Ok, so I have gone ahead and installed Homebrew. Everything seems to > >>> have gone ok apart from the fact that after executing the command to > >>> install Homebrew, I got a warning message saying that this installation > >>> was old and unsupported and whether I wanted to go ahead. I ddid go > >>> ahead with it. In the instructions on the web page it says to run the > >>> command Homebrew doctor to make sure whether the installation has been > >>> executed successfully. I did run the command but obtained no feedback. > >>> One point I should have clarified is that I have installed Homebrew on > >>> Mac OS Sierra I run on this particular machine. I’m still in Sierra on > >>> this laptop because of the Greek voice which I need and which was broken > >>> in High Sierra and has not been fixed by Apple since although I’ve been > >>> reporting it for over 4 years. So I(i have to keep this computer behind. > >>> I might try to install Homebrew on Catalina later. > >>> > >>> Janina, you say something about Nano editor. Should I already have it on > >>> my mac, or do I need to download it? I’ve paused going ahead with the > >>> rest of the instructions until I hear from you on Nano Editor. Don’t > >>> want to break anything. <smile> > >>> > >>> Andrew > >>>> On 30 Mar 2020, at 10:59, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries > >>>> <[email protected]> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> Hi, Andrew: > >>>> > >>>> I can, and sbelow will, walk you through getting homebrew installed on > >>>> your Mac. It's just useful to have it. > >>>> > >>>> What it does: Allows you to run a lot of Linux utilities directly on > >>>> your Mac terminal. > >>>> > >>>> Now, for tdsr, which I presume means something like "terminal desktop > >>>> screen readner,' or something similar. I'm just guessing ... > >>>> > >>>> I got it running. I launched while ssh'd into my machine. That did > >>>> several things: > >>>> > >>>> * Launched tdsr on my Mac Airbook. That's a good thing. > >>>> > >>>> * Made my Mac respond with speech to every command I typed in my > >>>> * ssh session. That's a bad thing. > >>>> > >>>> * The Mac would not respond to a tap of the Ctrl. That's a bad > >>>> * thing. Shutting speech up is almost as important as getting > >>>> * speech happening. You can't be efficient if you can't stop > >>>> * speech, and go on to your next command. And, every platform out > >>>> * there, Windows, Mac, Linux all the screen readers shutup when > >>>> * you tap Ctrl. Maybe that's in the configuration part I didn't > >>>> * yet deal with, but it should be a builtin default, imo. > >>>> > >>>> * Doing Alt-TAB on the Mac didn't shut TDSR up either. That's also > >>>> * a bad thing, imo. A terminal level application should be > >>>> * sufficiently context aware to know when it's no longer the > >>>> * foreground app and the right thing in that situation, again imo, > >>>> * is to shut up immediately. > >>>> > >>>> So, I'm going to show you homebroew, I even suggest you get it for the > >>>> silly little calculator script I provided in another email. You do want > >>>> to start writing scripts fairly soon, but I don't know whether tdsr is > >>>> ready for serious use just yet. > >>>> > >>>> So, with that disclaimer, here's a web page with very good instructions > >>>> on installing and using homebrew: > >>>> > >>>> https://www.studytonight.com/post/what-is-homebrew-and-how-to-install-it-on-mac-osx > >>>> > >>>> NOTE: There's a step in the above web page where they have you use an > >>>> application called nano to edit your .bash_profile file. Nano is OK, > >>>> though not as good as vim or emacs. For now, no problem using it, but > >>>> you will need to pick up vim or emacs in the next couple months--another > >>>> conversation. > >>>> > >>>> I digress. You do want to edit, probably .zshrc -- but as I said in that > >>>> entertained you (you're welcome, we do all need a smile early and often > >>>> each day) I'm not up to speed on just those kinds of facts. It's part of > >>>> why I haven't jumped ship from bash to zsh yet myself. What do I do with > >>>> all my profile customizations? > >>>> > >>>> Anyway, the explanation of why you want /usr/local in your path ahead of > >>>> everything else is very spot on. The how to do it in zsh is where I'm > >>>> stumbling. > >>>> > >>>> Best, > >>>> > >>>> Janina > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries writes: > >>>>> Janina, > >>>>> > >>>>> I’ve looked carefully at Greg’s suggestion and then did a search for > >>>>> Homebrew and TDSR and since the only thing i understand about Python is > >>>>> that it is one of the programming languages, I thought I’m too green > >>>>> around the gills to even attempt to play around with TDSR in case I > >>>>> mess up my mac. Would you agree? <smile> > >>>>> > >>>>> Andrew > >>>>>> On 30 Mar 2020, at 06:32, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries > >>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Thanks for the reminder, Greg. I'm just now starting the install of > >>>>>> TDSR. For me that means an update of homebrew, followed by an upgrade > >>>>>> of > >>>>>> python3, and that is taking quite some time. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Hopeing the result will truly be easier to use than VO in the terminal, > >>>>>> as you suggest. That would be a good thing, imo. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Best, > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Janina > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Greg Wocher writes: > >>>>>>> Hello, > >>>>>>> You might want to try the TDSR console screen reader for Mac. It > >>>>>>> makes working with the terminal a bit easier. It can be found at: > >>>>>>> https://github.com/tspivey/tdsr <https://github.com/tspivey/tdsr> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Greg Wocher > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> On Mar 29, 2020, at 10:21 AM, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries > >>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Hi, > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> When working in Terminal and command line, is it possible to examine > >>>>>>>> the window content with Voiceover? Say , ls -l command produces a > >>>>>>>> list of files in the directory I am in. How can I examine each file > >>>>>>>> and maybe even copy their names to clipboard or details about them > >>>>>>>> if I were to use the -l flag, which would produce long information > >>>>>>>> about each item. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Secondly, reading a book on Command Line, one of the shortcut > >>>>>>>> techniques the author teaches is to start typing the name of a > >>>>>>>> directory to which one wishes to change and then pressing tab, which > >>>>>>>> would result in Terminal completing the name or else giving a list > >>>>>>>> of available names if there should be more than one. This doesn’t > >>>>>>>> seem to work. When I press the tab, I hear the ominous bong bong. > >>>>>>>> So this technique doesn’t work. 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