Karen and all,
Have you listened to either the AppleVis or Jonathan Mosen podcast
demonstrating the new voices that are available in beta Apple operating systems?
They have even broght Eloquence to IOS.
Best wishes,
Jonathan Cohn
> On Jun 15, 2022, at 15:57, Karen Lewellen <klewel...@shellworld.net> wrote:
>
> Which in one case requires one have more than one product.
> By way of example, I have yet to find an iOS voice that does not trigger the
> dizziness aspect of my auditory processing condition.
> It is one reason why I wanted an older mac, and why I am, after years of
> being on this list, only now in a position to really use apple products at
> all.
> My point is that inclusion also means choices, and limiting choices because
> of how a person's body works, is not inclusion..at all.
>
>
>
> On Wed, 15 Jun 2022, Jonathan C. Cohn wrote:
>
>> Newer Macintosh computers have a fingerprint sensor and even older machines,
>> can be unlocked if you are wearing an Apple Watch.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Jun 15, 2022, at 12:05 PM, Karen Lewellen <klewel...@shellworld.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> hi Tim,
>>> Please share what you learn. Just got off the phone with main apple
>>> support, the time window is only 8 hours, which is just not suitable for
>>> me as I learn this machine.
>>> As shared I have no issues with the data not being presented, with
>>> practice I will likely be fine.
>>> but as I just shared with my apple rep, you expect someone like the late
>>> Stephen Hawking to have someone provide his log in password every 8 hours?
>>> If there is not an existing work-around for that population, one should be
>>> created, even if hidden in the security privacy area, an alternative way
>>> to provide password at log in, or something of that sort.
>>> best,
>>> Karen
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Wed, 15 Jun 2022, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> Whether it’s a VoiceOver user or a sighted user, they will not be able to
>>>> see what is being entered. Yes, on some web-sites, there is a “Show
>>>> Password” option, but this is not the case for the Login screen. You do
>>>> bring up some good points, although I’m not sure I know a workaround for
>>>> them. Even with newer versions of the computer, and newer versions of the
>>>> MacOS there are things like the fingerprint sensor. The limitation here
>>>> is still that the full entry of the password is required after restart or
>>>> logout for security reasons. I will need to check with someone at Apple
>>>> if there’s some other way that I’m not aware of that would allow for
>>>> password entry for someone with dexterity challenges.
>>>>
>>>> Later…
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Tim Kilburn
>>>> Jamf Certified Tech
>>>> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
>>>> Apple Teacher
>>>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>>>
>>>>>> On Jun 15, 2022, at 09:18, Karen Lewellen <klewel...@shellworld.net>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Tim,
>>>>> Thanks as always.
>>>>> When I spoke to apple accessibility I asked a question.
>>>>> since voiceover is not providing input, if one is new to the mac, or used
>>>>> to a larger keyboard, mistakes are quite likely.
>>>>> however, what happens if someone cannot type at all? the system does not
>>>>> let you speak your password either, which speaking personally seems like
>>>>> rather a barrier for those experiencing motor challenges.
>>>>> While I respect the risk idea, I am more bothered by the noninclusive
>>>>> nature of the door if that resonates.
>>>>> If I could say set the requirement for once every 90 days, giving me more
>>>>> time to either manage this keyboard or add an external one it would be
>>>>> one thing.
>>>>> As it is now, the problem prevents me from moving forward, and I cannot
>>>>> resonate with that situation.
>>>>> Kare
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, 15 Jun 2022, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There are trusted developers that are built in to the system, as well as
>>>>>> you being able to tell the MacOS if you want to “Trust” a specific
>>>>>> web-site for downloads. Leaving the setting to App Store and Trusted
>>>>>> Developers is your best option. Regarding the locking of the screen
>>>>>> after sleep or screen saver, yes, indeed this can be configured. I’ll
>>>>>> preface this by saying that when you disable this feature, you are
>>>>>> leaving your Mac open to security breaches. That being said, if you are
>>>>>> comfortable with that risk, or have other physical reasons for
>>>>>> preferring your Mac not to behave this way, then the setting is in the
>>>>>> Security & Privacy pane of System Preferences under the General tab.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Later…
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Tim Kilburn
>>>>>> Jamf Certified Tech
>>>>>> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
>>>>>> Apple Teacher
>>>>>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>>>>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Jun 15, 2022, at 08:26, Karen Lewellen <klewel...@shellworld.net>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Understood now, and noted.
>>>>>>> may just leave it alone as it is less critical then say, logging in
>>>>>>> at all laughs.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, 14 Jun 2022, Herbie Allen wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In iOS, you cannot download apps from third-party sites, you have no
>>>>>>>> choice but to use the App store. As a result, every app is vetted by
>>>>>>>> Apple before submission. The other result is that if someone wants you
>>>>>>>> to run they're program, they have to submit the app directly to Apple.
>>>>>>>> The Mac however is a different animal. We can use Safari to download
>>>>>>>> directly and the system is not directly sandboxed. Take Zoom. To use
>>>>>>>> it on the iPhone, App store, no other way though it might work
>>>>>>>> through Safari. However, there is no Zoom app on the Mac App store.
>>>>>>>> There are some things that will work with Zoom, but if you want the
>>>>>>>> actual program the company provides, you have to go to there website.
>>>>>>>> It’s a safe app to download, but I don’t know if you restrict your
>>>>>>>> downloads if that one would work for instance. My point though is that
>>>>>>>> if you only download apps from people you know, then you don’t have to
>>>>>>>> worry about security measures that may or may not hamper your Mac
>>>>>>>> experience.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Jun 14, 2022, at 21:35, Karen Lewellen <klewel...@shellworld.net>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Is not that what is meant by trusted developers though? My
>>>>>>>>> understanding is that limiting downloads can protect you from bugs
>>>>>>>>> and viruses.
>>>>>>>>> I know nothing about the IOS store, having no iPhone.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 14 Jun 2022, Herbie Allen wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I think the possible time goes into the hours. As for the app store
>>>>>>>>>> apps, keep in mind that the Mac app store is not like the one for
>>>>>>>>>> iOS. I suppose m1 users might have a bit more flex-ability in this
>>>>>>>>>> manner with Catalyst, but I would not want to limit my app download
>>>>>>>>>> options for the Mac since most will come from third-party sites.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 14, 2022, at 20:08, Karen Lewellen
>>>>>>>>>>> <klewel...@shellworld.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> hi folks,
>>>>>>>>>>> I may wait to address this, but since my hmemate and I will be
>>>>>>>>>>> addressing the log in password request happening every time a
>>>>>>>>>>> awaken the mac tomorrow, thought I would ask about this.
>>>>>>>>>>> I understand from another, and far more informed apple
>>>>>>>>>>> accessibility team member that I can either turn off the password
>>>>>>>>>>> request, or decide how often I want the request to happen, anyone
>>>>>>>>>>> have an idea how much time is possible?
>>>>>>>>>>> Also, thoughts on the safety of allowing downloads only from the
>>>>>>>>>>> apple store, and trusted developers?
>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>> Kare
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
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