I agree Caroline! I really hope you have a good experience with the voiceover specialist next week. In the meantime, don't hesitate to ask questions here! Olivia On Apr 15, 2010, at 9:33 AM, Carolyn wrote:
> I would agree with those taking issue with the NFB. It scares me that so > many organizations in the US take the NFB's word as speaking for the whole > "blind" population, (which the NFB loves to refer to as "the blind." > Unfortunately, they are taking credit in some cases for their lawsuit "making > apple address accessibility." Then they turn around and kick Apple in the > teeth with inaccurate reviews knocking Apple's effort. Quite frankly, they > scare me. > > Sorry for my soapbox addition to this. But it's hard for me to stay out of a > discussion regarding a group that tries to take credit for everything good > that happens and sometimes tries to "save the world" for the population they > lovingly call "the blind." > This is just one more reason for me to champion for Apple who isn't doing > anything but leveling the playing field for all. > > Thank you Mr. Jobbs, and all of you brilliant engineers at Apple. > > Carolyn > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Kaare Dehard > To: [email protected] > Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 5:40 AM > Subject: Re: What do you think? > > Rob, we like worms. because of the shift in availability of screen readers, > and a lot of them coming at no charge in the apple product line, this sort of > thing comes up more often than would be liked. Some of the people that would > like to keep their special status feel it necessary to make the waters mirky. > We really don't mind providing our thoughts and perspectives on these sort of > things. > On 2010-04-15, at 3:31 AM, Rob Lambert wrote: > >> I apologize if I opened a can of worms. >> >> On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 12:30 AM, Anne Robertson <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> Hello Nic, >> >> Thank you for this post. You've just saved me from going on a major rant >> along the same lines. >> >> Cheers, >> >> Anne >> >> On Apr 15, 2010, at 9:14 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: >> >> > Hi, >> > >> > I seriously doubt that is the case. Apple accessibility has been around >> > for six years now, not three. I doubt NFB had anything to do with it. >> > Apple is going to keep it up because they are committed. The article about >> > the lawsuit doesn't actually mention Apple much. >> > >> > There is actually a very good point of view. Apple poses a threat to the >> > NFB of taking over the technical market. This is why NFB did not sue >> > Skype, but Apple. Agreement or not, I'm pretty sure they listened to users >> > using Outspoken and such, rather than an organization that can't even >> > review the product properly when it is out. Apple has done far more than >> > anyone for accessibility improvements. Apple said they had something in >> > store, and they sure did. I of course realize that it is a pretty serious >> > statement. Of course, I am not particularly a fan of the NFB at all. >> > Saying that, NFB has made some seriously inaccurate statements as well, >> > far outweighing mine. NFB actually has no reason to sue Apple. What would >> > they sue them for, exactly? Because their products are accessible, and >> > they want everyone to pay more than what a Macbook costs for assistive >> > technology? That wouldn't actually surprise me much. It's all about >> > competition. If they think they're about to be kicked out, of course they >> > would consider Apple a threat. Because Apple has done something Microsoft >> > has not. All these things sound really twisted and disgusting to me. >> > >> > Apple can hardly be sued for their effort. Their lawsuit had to do with >> > iTunes on the Windows side. Fair enough, but that is a pretty ridiculous >> > suit if it really is based on accessibility. That is not the case, >> > however, as there are plenty of other useful programs for PCs that are not >> > anywhere near as accessible as iTunes 9. And NFB doesn't care about that. >> > Which, again, leads me to believe that, because NFB is scared of being >> > kicked out, they do everything they can to stop people buying their >> > product. That would make sense. >> > >> > Windows users rely on scripts all the time to use any application. I >> > suggest you look through your jAWS folder to see what I mean. Have you >> > even seen just the download size of a JAWS installation? It's outrageous. >> > People who moan about iTunes not being accessible just because the >> > interface accidentally broke, just need to use scripts like they do for >> > everything else. I'm surprised that wasn't their first complaint. JAWS, or >> > just Windows in general, isn't even that stable. If JAWS crashes, it's >> > stupidly difficult most of the time to reload the product. Even if you >> > manage to do so, you will probably run into the screen not being read >> > correctly when reading list boxes or with the cursor. Or, the worst-case >> > scenario. You have to uninstall JAWS 11 after attempting to install Video >> > Intercept, reinstall JAWS 10, install VIdeo Intercept, uninstall JAWS 10 >> > then reinstall JAWS 11. >> > >> > Maybe I'm slamming the NFB a bit, but really, they need a kick in the ass. >> > I'm just happy the Danish blindness organizations are not this corrupt and >> > twisted, and they actually review fairly and take a proper look at what a >> > company offers before suing them. I'll always be negative about the NFB, >> > though I am actually being neutral when talking about the actual lawsuit >> > itself. >> > >> > Say what you want to, it won't change my mind. Even if it is someone from >> > NFB saying it. Some NFB people are great. Some do incredibly good reviews. >> > Some don't. And in whole, I think the organization just sucks for filing >> > unnecessary lawsuits for nothing. Maybe I'm going on a childish tantrum >> > here, perhaps. But once in a while, you need to. A company is trying to >> > provide great accessibility for their products, and they are sued because >> > of one problem. iTunes is actually still useful on the Windows side, >> > people. Quit your darn nitpicking. >> > >> > Regards, >> > Nic >> > Skype: Kvalme >> > MSN Messenger: [email protected] >> > AIM: cincinster >> > yahoo Messenger: cin368 >> > Facebook Profile >> > My Twitter >> > >> > On Apr 15, 2010, at 8:08 AM, Rob Lambert wrote: >> > >> >> I just got wind, from a friend of mine, that the only reason Apple is >> >> accessible to us is because of a lawsuit by the NFB. The term of the >> >> agreement was for accessibility improvements for three years. Here's a >> >> question. First, what's your side of this ordeal? Second, who thinks >> >> Apple will keep up with the accessibility improvements after this three >> >> year term is up? 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