I second the motion Olivia Sent from the iPad I wish I had
On May 6, 2010, at 2:55 PM, olivia norman <[email protected]> wrote: > I just wanted to second what Cara says here and agree. This is also a > problem I have with some, not all, in the blindness community, and Cara's > thoughts are right on track! :) > Olivia > On May 6, 2010, at 7:41 PM, Cara Quinn wrote: > >> To be fair here, I'm not trying to help rouse the troops as it were. I >> completely agree with you, but I'd really encourage people to simply voice >> these concerns in a polite and amicable way, rather than complaining. >> >> I say this, as (no offense to anyone in particular) in my opinion, the blind >> community just tends to over-react, and get ridiculously up-in-arms over >> everything much of the time, and rather than making this out to be a >> situation where Apple is somehow the bad guys, forcing us to pay for apps, >> or binding and preventing us from having a say as to an app's accessibility, >> I'd simply propose that this is merely a case of the majority of the market >> being sighted, and not enough of us voicing these concerns on a regular >> basis. >> >> So rather than a bunch of us flagrantly flying off the handle to the people >> at [email protected], I'd personally just rather see people carrying >> on an adult dialogue which can be constructive. Quite simply, the more of us >> that say something, the more of us that will be heard. Do we want to be >> heard as over-emotional unstable complainers, or as rational friendly adults >> trying to bring about positive changes?… >> >> I know you know what I mean, so I won't dwell on semantics. Thanks all for >> reading, and again, let's make our voices heard in the best way possible, K?… >> >> Smiles, >> >> Cara :) >> --- >> View my Online Portfolio at: >> >> http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn >> >> Follow me on Twitter! >> >> https://twitter.com/ModelCara >> >> On May 6, 2010, at 3:39 PM, Bryan Smart wrote: >> >> Absolutely. >> >> Anyone on the list with an iPhone, iPad, or iPod Touch, please write to >> complain. It isn't write for Apple to not give us info about an app's >> accessibility, give us no way to evaluate that accessibility for ourselves, >> force us to buy the app in order to find out, and then deny us a refund if >> it isn't accessible. We should either be given a way to know how accessible >> an app is in advance, or be given the option of a refund if we find that an >> app isn't accessible after purchasing it. >> >> Bryan >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] >> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Cara Quinn >> Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2010 6:29 PM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: Accessible iPhone/iPad apps and refunds >> >> >> Hi Bryan; >> >> I for one, agree with you whole-heartedly. I've actually been in touch with >> Apple about this in the past, and my contacts also felt it would be a good >> idea, however, as yet nothing has seemingly happened with it. >> >> I'd encourage you and anyone else interested to email >> [email protected] with these concerns / suggestions. >> >> I know this sounds like a blow-off, but it really isn't! lol! I think more >> of us just need to be nicely and politely making these points heard, that's >> all, and that email addie is the best way I know, to do it. <smile> >> >> Anyway, I'd surely like this situation to improve as well. Thanks so much >> for posting!!!... >> >> SMiles, >> >> Cara :) >> --- >> View my Online Portfolio at: >> >> http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn >> >> Follow me on Twitter! >> >> https://twitter.com/ModelCara >> >> On May 6, 2010, at 1:29 PM, Bryan Smart wrote: >> >> Hi. >> >> There are so many apps available. As we know, some are completely >> accessible, some are accessible with some workarounds, and some not at all. >> >> With free apps, this isn't a problem. You install them, check them out, and, >> if they aren't accessible, you can just delete them. >> >> With paid apps, though, the situation is different. There are some >> accessibility reviews of some apps, but only a fraction of what's available. >> Since hardly any of the apps offer demos, we must buy the app, and risk that >> the purchase will be wasted on an app that we can't even use. When the app >> only costs $0.99, like some iPhone apps, that isn't so bad, but iPad apps >> can cost $5, $10, and even more in some cases. >> >> I think that Apple should take some small steps to accommodate us. Not only >> is it a sorry situation when one of us purchases an app that we discover to >> be inaccessible, but, for some people, having a few such experiences will >> trim back on their willingness to push that buy button in the future. >> Pressing the buy button should not feel like a roll of the dice. >> >> I suggest: >> >> 1. The App Store should provide some way for people to rate the >> accessibility of an app. A 5 star system, similar to how apps are rated in >> general might be nice. >> >> 2. There should be some way that customers can optionally restrict the App >> Store to showing only accessible applications. If people would like to >> explore new apps, that's fine, but, if they just want to look at what is >> known to be accessible, they should have that option. >> >> 3. Customers should be able to receive refunds for apps that they can't use. >> Since the app store provides no indication of how accessible a program is, >> and there is usually no way to try the program first, we should be able to >> get a refund if we can't use our purchase. >> >> What do you all think? What can be done? I've purchased a few apps that are >> completely inaccessible. For example, I purchased Korg Electribe, a beat >> making program, for $10. 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