Wish you could lock the VO keys with an arrow based command, that would make a lot of difference I think!
-----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Maxwell Ivey Jr. Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2010 4:38 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: How To Get VoiceOver To Read Mail Messages Automatically hello; from my experience I generally use vo, which is control plus option, with the arrow keys, space bar, and shift key. I use tab and shift tab for some things. I use vo i and vo u a lot for the links menu and items menu. and if you have the newer ones and are familiar with using a mouse you can do a lot of things with the track pad commander feature. good luck with your decision, max On Jun 17, 2010, at 4:27 AM, Dave Taylor wrote: > Here is where I think one of the biggest issues is though. As a > prospective > Mac user, from the demos and manuals, there seem to be an awful lot of > different and often complex keystrokes to do things. I'm not clear > if one > needs all of them or if people doing the demos are making things more > complex than needed, or just not explaining why things are the way > they are. > In Windows we can work out which methods to try based on what kind > of task > we are doing. We know that you activate things with either enter or > space, > both single keystrokes. We know there are many ways to move around, > but we > know that we can find most things by exploring menus or tabbing. > Most times, > our screen readers know what we are most likely to want to do and > give us > the option of automating that task, often on a per application > basis. They > can also give us relatively simple keystrokes on a per application > basis to > do tasks specific to that application. > > It comes across that with a Mac you have at least three different > way to > select things and that only one of them will work in a given > situation. It > comes across that you have to navigate relatively complex screens with > multi-finger keystrokes to do what you can often do with one single > keystroke in Windows, specific questions in a separate message, and > it comes > across that there are a lot of situations when a Windows screen > reader would > automate something that you have to tell VO to do. > > Be assured, I raise these points not in opposition to converting, > I'm here > because I'm seriously thinking that when this computer goes, the > next one > will be a Mac, but for others thinking of converting, I hope the > answers > people give to these points will reassure them and hopefully be > reflected in > some sort of searchable tips and tricks kind of website. I very much > want to > know what's possible, not seem in opposition. > > Cheers > Dave > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Kimberly thurman > Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2010 1:31 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: How To Get VoiceOver To Read Mail Messages Automatically > > Yeah, I fell into that trap early on with VO coming from Jaws. Now, > when I > pick up my windows laptop, I have to remind myself where the tab key > is and > not to grab the control and windows key with the arrows. It's very > disorienting some times. LOL!!!!! > On Jun 16, 2010, at 1:08 PM, Anne Robertson wrote: > >> Hello Dave, >> >> You can set VO to interact automatically when you tab to a field >> where > this is appropriate, but tabbing isn't always the best way to > navigate with > VO. Many ex-JAWS users get themselves into a muddle by tabbing > everywhere. > As a very very long-term Mac user, the tab key is the last thing I > think > about for navigation. >> >> Cheers, >> >> Anne >> >> >> On Jun 16, 2010, at 7:03 PM, Dave Taylor wrote: >> >>> Hi >>> >>> Does tabbing around not make VO automatically interact? >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. >> For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] > . > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en > . > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. 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