Perhaps so, but I would certainly hope if this were a feature, it also included a silent option. On Aug 14, 2010, at 6:15 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:
> Actually in my case some letters don't press if I don't' press hard enough so > in my case I leave keyboard echo on so I know if I mistyped something cause I > though the letter pressed. > > S > On Aug 14, 2010, at 2:54 PM, Scott Howell wrote: > >> How about no sound at all. Surely you will know when your pressing the keys. >> THe sound would become distracting and the entire point is silence not noise. >> On Aug 14, 2010, at 4:38 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote: >> >>> No! no! no! that might confused the heck out of me. I would not want it >>> sounding like I'm entering in a password all the time. Maybe a quiet ping >>> or something. >>> >>> S >>> On Aug 14, 2010, at 1:11 PM, Michael Busboom wrote: >>> >>>> Hi. >>>> >>>> When I started this thread, I wasn't thinking of the key click feature. >>>> Actually, I would never use it. However, in order to help the >>>> accessibility people at Apple, would it be fair to say that the key clicks >>>> you envisage would sound like the ones that the Mac gives us when we enter >>>> secure passwords? I rather like the fact that these key clicks are issued. >>>> >>>> Best to all, >>>> >>>> Mike >>>> >>>> On 13,Aug,2010, at 9:09 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote: >>>> >>>>> lol. tha'ts tprobably why I type very hard, eather that or it's my piano >>>>> playing that causes me to type hard. lol! >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Aug 13, 2010, at 10:24 AM, Michael Thurman wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> exactly! jut have them add it to the typing echo place in the verbosity >>>>>> settings. a really fast click would be nice as laptop keyboard are very >>>>>> quiet. those of us who learned to type on an IBM selectric or other >>>>>> electric typewriters before we had computers would appreciate it.. wnat >>>>>> t make it very fancy, record an ibm selectric it isn't tactile >>>>>> feedback but it would be handy I sometimes miss letters if I type too >>>>>> softly and too quickly >>>>>> On Aug 5, 2010, at 8:12 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> yeah true. Hmm I dunno. Maybe a click not a cherp, like a typing sound >>>>>>> maybe? >>>>>>> On Aug 5, 2010, at 4:47 PM, Michael Thurman wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> well of course you could turn it on or off I'm thinking of a slight >>>>>>>> click nt abeep or chirp and anyone could turn the sound on or off at >>>>>>>> will :) >>>>>>>> On Aug 5, 2010, at 1:39 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I agree. Although the chirp is a good one I too asan end user would >>>>>>>>> feel overwhelmed whenit comes to noises. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> S >>>>>>>>> On Aug 5, 2010, at 9:07 AM, Michael Busboom wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hello Michael, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Although I do not know how this feature would help, who am I to say >>>>>>>>>> that it wouldn't. There are a couple of things, however, that one >>>>>>>>>> must keep in mind. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> 1. There is already some feedback from keyboard entry in the form >>>>>>>>>> of tones. For example when Caps Lock is activated, you get beeps to >>>>>>>>>> indicate this. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> 2. When attempting to enter information in an area information >>>>>>>>>> can't be entered, the keyboard "chirps." >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> My concern is that if every single key clicked, then beeped when the >>>>>>>>>> Caps Lock is on, etc., the user might be overwhelmed with too much >>>>>>>>>> feedback. When I originally brought up the idea of having VO emit >>>>>>>>>> an error tone after a word had been written, I wasn't thinking about >>>>>>>>>> anything else than preserving a silent typing environment but still >>>>>>>>>> being notified right away when a word was mis-spelled. To my way of >>>>>>>>>> thinking, this would speed up the editing process for everyone who >>>>>>>>>> wanted to use it and, for those of us who work in multilingual >>>>>>>>>> environments, it would be a great way for the Mac to say: "Hey, you >>>>>>>>>> may want to switch your keyboard to another language!" I have >>>>>>>>>> accidentally written several paragraphs before discovering that I >>>>>>>>>> was writing German texts but hadn't switched my keyboard over to >>>>>>>>>> that keyboard layout. Had this feature that I want been available, >>>>>>>>>> I would have saved myself tons of time and grief more than once. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Best regards, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Mike >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 5,Aug,2010, at 2:53 PM, Michael Thurman wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> this brings an idea to mind. I used to have an atari st that had a >>>>>>>>>>> very soft click or chirp when keys were pressed I wonder if we >>>>>>>>>>> could get a very very light click sound that would sound on each >>>>>>>>>>> keypress. to be useful ti would have to be very quiet, preferably >>>>>>>>>>> adjustable, or let you select what sound you want it to use, for me >>>>>>>>>>> a very soft tick like you would hear from an old ibm tactile >>>>>>>>>>> keyboard would be awesome >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 31, 2010, at 8:58 AM, Scott Howell wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Please file this as a request. I think this is a very good idea >>>>>>>>>>>> and one that needs to be implemented. I for one would like it and >>>>>>>>>>>> I will also make the request again. :) >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 31, 2010, at 8:07 AM, Michael Busboom wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello everyone, >>>>>>>>>>>>> Before submitting this feature request to the accessibility team >>>>>>>>>>>>> at Apple, I was curious if (1) it is implemented already and (2) >>>>>>>>>>>>> what others thought. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I work in a multilingual context daily. I am very satisfied with >>>>>>>>>>>>> my text-to-speech software, too. However, I occasionally have >>>>>>>>>>>>> this annoying problem that wouldn't be a problem if one of VO's >>>>>>>>>>>>> features could be enhanced just a bit. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Whenever I type, I keep all keyboard echo features turned off. >>>>>>>>>>>>> This means that I only hear text when I move the arrow keys or >>>>>>>>>>>>> invoke a VO function that causes something to be spoken. I find >>>>>>>>>>>>> that I make a lot more mistakes when writing if there is any >>>>>>>>>>>>> feedback whatsoever when I am typing. One of the really cool >>>>>>>>>>>>> things about VO, however, is that whenever the Caps Lock is >>>>>>>>>>>>> invoked VO beeps each time a key is pressed. I like this a lot. >>>>>>>>>>>>> I also very much appreciate the fact that whenever a word I >>>>>>>>>>>>> encounter while listening to a text is mis-spelled, VO sends an >>>>>>>>>>>>> error beep. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> What I would like to see is an extension to this feature wherein >>>>>>>>>>>>> VO beeped on a mis-spelled word, even if the keyboard is silent. >>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't know how many times I started to write a text in English, >>>>>>>>>>>>> only to realize later that I was still using a German keyboard. >>>>>>>>>>>>> I would save a lot of time and hassle if, immediately after the >>>>>>>>>>>>> first mis-spelled word was encountered, I could switch the >>>>>>>>>>>>> keyboard to the appropriate language. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I would also use this feature extensively, even if I were in a >>>>>>>>>>>>> monolingual context. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Your thoughts? >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Have a great day, >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Mike >>>>>>>>>>>>> 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