Oh yeah I'm sure it would. Make it a toggle and we can have the best of both worlds.
Take care all. S On Aug 14, 2010, at 3:34 PM, Scott Howell wrote: > Perhaps so, but I would certainly hope if this were a feature, it also > included a silent option. > On Aug 14, 2010, at 6:15 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote: > >> Actually in my case some letters don't press if I don't' press hard enough >> so in my case I leave keyboard echo on so I know if I mistyped something >> cause I though the letter pressed. >> >> S >> On Aug 14, 2010, at 2:54 PM, Scott Howell wrote: >> >>> How about no sound at all. Surely you will know when your pressing the >>> keys. THe sound would become distracting and the entire point is silence >>> not noise. >>> On Aug 14, 2010, at 4:38 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote: >>> >>>> No! no! no! that might confused the heck out of me. I would not want it >>>> sounding like I'm entering in a password all the time. Maybe a quiet ping >>>> or something. >>>> >>>> S >>>> On Aug 14, 2010, at 1:11 PM, Michael Busboom wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi. >>>>> >>>>> When I started this thread, I wasn't thinking of the key click feature. >>>>> Actually, I would never use it. However, in order to help the >>>>> accessibility people at Apple, would it be fair to say that the key >>>>> clicks you envisage would sound like the ones that the Mac gives us when >>>>> we enter secure passwords? I rather like the fact that these key clicks >>>>> are issued. >>>>> >>>>> Best to all, >>>>> >>>>> Mike >>>>> >>>>> On 13,Aug,2010, at 9:09 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> lol. tha'ts tprobably why I type very hard, eather that or it's my piano >>>>>> playing that causes me to type hard. lol! >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Aug 13, 2010, at 10:24 AM, Michael Thurman wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> exactly! jut have them add it to the typing echo place in the verbosity >>>>>>> settings. a really fast click would be nice as laptop keyboard are very >>>>>>> quiet. those of us who learned to type on an IBM selectric or other >>>>>>> electric typewriters before we had computers would appreciate it.. wnat >>>>>>> t make it very fancy, record an ibm selectric it isn't tactile >>>>>>> feedback but it would be handy I sometimes miss letters if I type too >>>>>>> softly and too quickly >>>>>>> On Aug 5, 2010, at 8:12 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> yeah true. Hmm I dunno. Maybe a click not a cherp, like a typing sound >>>>>>>> maybe? >>>>>>>> On Aug 5, 2010, at 4:47 PM, Michael Thurman wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> well of course you could turn it on or off I'm thinking of a slight >>>>>>>>> click nt abeep or chirp and anyone could turn the sound on or off at >>>>>>>>> will :) >>>>>>>>> On Aug 5, 2010, at 1:39 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I agree. Although the chirp is a good one I too asan end user would >>>>>>>>>> feel overwhelmed whenit comes to noises. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> S >>>>>>>>>> On Aug 5, 2010, at 9:07 AM, Michael Busboom wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Hello Michael, >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Although I do not know how this feature would help, who am I to say >>>>>>>>>>> that it wouldn't. There are a couple of things, however, that one >>>>>>>>>>> must keep in mind. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> 1. There is already some feedback from keyboard entry in the form >>>>>>>>>>> of tones. For example when Caps Lock is activated, you get beeps >>>>>>>>>>> to indicate this. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> 2. When attempting to enter information in an area information >>>>>>>>>>> can't be entered, the keyboard "chirps." >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> My concern is that if every single key clicked, then beeped when >>>>>>>>>>> the Caps Lock is on, etc., the user might be overwhelmed with too >>>>>>>>>>> much feedback. When I originally brought up the idea of having VO >>>>>>>>>>> emit an error tone after a word had been written, I wasn't thinking >>>>>>>>>>> about anything else than preserving a silent typing environment but >>>>>>>>>>> still being notified right away when a word was mis-spelled. To my >>>>>>>>>>> way of thinking, this would speed up the editing process for >>>>>>>>>>> everyone who wanted to use it and, for those of us who work in >>>>>>>>>>> multilingual environments, it would be a great way for the Mac to >>>>>>>>>>> say: "Hey, you may want to switch your keyboard to another >>>>>>>>>>> language!" I have accidentally written several paragraphs before >>>>>>>>>>> discovering that I was writing German texts but hadn't switched my >>>>>>>>>>> keyboard over to that keyboard layout. Had this feature that I >>>>>>>>>>> want been available, I would have saved myself tons of time and >>>>>>>>>>> grief more than once. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Best regards, >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Mike >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On 5,Aug,2010, at 2:53 PM, Michael Thurman wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> this brings an idea to mind. I used to have an atari st that had >>>>>>>>>>>> a very soft click or chirp when keys were pressed I wonder if we >>>>>>>>>>>> could get a very very light click sound that would sound on each >>>>>>>>>>>> keypress. to be useful ti would have to be very quiet, preferably >>>>>>>>>>>> adjustable, or let you select what sound you want it to use, for >>>>>>>>>>>> me a very soft tick like you would hear from an old ibm tactile >>>>>>>>>>>> keyboard would be awesome >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 31, 2010, at 8:58 AM, Scott Howell wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Please file this as a request. I think this is a very good idea >>>>>>>>>>>>> and one that needs to be implemented. I for one would like it and >>>>>>>>>>>>> I will also make the request again. :) >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 31, 2010, at 8:07 AM, Michael Busboom wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello everyone, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Before submitting this feature request to the accessibility team >>>>>>>>>>>>>> at Apple, I was curious if (1) it is implemented already and (2) >>>>>>>>>>>>>> what others thought. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I work in a multilingual context daily. I am very satisfied >>>>>>>>>>>>>> with my text-to-speech software, too. However, I occasionally >>>>>>>>>>>>>> have this annoying problem that wouldn't be a problem if one of >>>>>>>>>>>>>> VO's features could be enhanced just a bit. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Whenever I type, I keep all keyboard echo features turned off. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> This means that I only hear text when I move the arrow keys or >>>>>>>>>>>>>> invoke a VO function that causes something to be spoken. I find >>>>>>>>>>>>>> that I make a lot more mistakes when writing if there is any >>>>>>>>>>>>>> feedback whatsoever when I am typing. One of the really cool >>>>>>>>>>>>>> things about VO, however, is that whenever the Caps Lock is >>>>>>>>>>>>>> invoked VO beeps each time a key is pressed. I like this a lot. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I also very much appreciate the fact that whenever a word I >>>>>>>>>>>>>> encounter while listening to a text is mis-spelled, VO sends an >>>>>>>>>>>>>> error beep. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> What I would like to see is an extension to this feature wherein >>>>>>>>>>>>>> VO beeped on a mis-spelled word, even if the keyboard is silent. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't know how many times I started to write a text in >>>>>>>>>>>>>> English, only to realize later that I was still using a German >>>>>>>>>>>>>> keyboard. I would save a lot of time and hassle if, immediately >>>>>>>>>>>>>> after the first mis-spelled word was encountered, I could switch >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the keyboard to the appropriate language. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I would also use this feature extensively, even if I were in a >>>>>>>>>>>>>> monolingual context. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Your thoughts? >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Have a great day, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mike >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to >>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>> You received this message 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