Iwork is really a prgram, that I hope will become more accessible. I would also like an easy way of marking chapters and headings in an easy way, I can not figure out how to do it now.
Best regards Annie. On Oct 16, 2010, at 11:46 AM, Paul Hunt wrote: > Hello everyone. I want IWork to be accessible. While working with an Apple > advisor I expressed some frustration about how to get feedback to the IWork > team. In each application there's a feedback option on the application's > menu. For example, I type vo+M to get to the menu and arrow right once to > get to the Pages menu. I arrow down to the feedback option and press enter. > The adviser told me that If I submit feedback this way it is routed to an > engineer on the pages team. I assume it works the same for the other IWork > applications and other apple products as well. > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Windels William > Sent: Friday, October 15, 2010 4:47 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: Apple's event next wednesday > > Hello all, > > I agree that tables isn't handled very well in pages. > Also numbers, is accessible but it's missing some navigation-features for > everyone like you have in ms excel. > Kenotes isn't very accessible at this moment... > > Safari is very bad at this moment : braille in formfields, voiceover is > crashing when you want to give feedback on itunes :( and... busy busy busy. > There are also other sites that voiceover can't access because it's > restarting constantly. > > Also, when you have parts of text in tables, you cant jump to this parts > with (shift)vo+command+n like you can do on webpages. > So, it's my experience that you need to explore the table cel by cel and > this can be very frustrated. > > I agree also that it would be nice if you can make different configs for > different programs but I don't think they will do that. > > There should be more config-options for the braille-display: > specify the representations of different controls in the os like links, > checkboxes, comboboxes, radio buttons... > Also, the information on the brailledisplay should be independent of the > speech. > It's not always interesting e.g. to have tooltips on the brailledisplay and > the brailledisplay should not show dots 7 and 8 below a text because it's in > the voiceover-cursor. > As I understand well, everything on a brailledisplay is in the vo-cursor. If > so, it doesn't make any sence to underline. > On windows, the dots 7 and 8 are also used to show e.g. italic, bold, > underline in programs but here, this isn't possible. > > I agree that it's not the main task of Apple to make tird party applications > accessible but, it would be nice if they should make a user-friendly > environment to adjust the representation of voiceover in programs that > aren't accessible out of the box. > e.g , firefox is a very good browser but, the developers aren't willing to > make it accessible with voiceover. > So, we have only 1 fully supported webbrowser and, is something works bad > with that browser, like no, we have no alternative. > The developers of opera will help but , I > think it goes slow. > > It's normal that programs have bugs, for shore in the beginning but, they > should make a kind of interface so that we can make a complete and efficient > bugreport of something in voiceover. > > And ..., they have implemented a drag and drop function with the keyboard in > 10.6 but, it seems not to work at all. > I mean, it's not doing the same for us as for sighted users. > > About other voices in osx: it would be nice to have the same voices > pre-installed like in ios4 but, it's not a priority for me. > > I can't understand the way Apple is taking care about their software: > Since itunes version 10, workflows aren't working anymore. > We have waited several weeks for itunes 10.0.1 and the workflow problems > aren't still fixed. > At the moment. > No, it's fixed for me with the howto's on the internet but the debug-jobs > are something for Apple, not for the customers. > That's my opinion. > And also in this case: this problem belong to everyone , not only vo-users. > > So, this is the most important of my frustrations :) > > > best regards, > William Windels > > Op 15-okt-2010, om 22:53 heeft Justin Ekis het volgende geschreven: > >> I have three enhancements that I'd like to see in voiceover with the > release of 10.7. I don't expect VO to be covered in that much detail during > this particular event, we'll probably read about the VO changes on the web > site as the release gets closer. >> >> I'd like to see them make it possible to access the status menu icons of > other applications. Dropbox is one example of an application that puts an > icon in this menu that can't be accessed with voiceover. We can only access > the default icons like the clock, battery status, etc. >> >> Also, I haven't yet seen a way to navigate tables within word documents or > pdf files. If I understand things correctly, wasn't it very difficult to > read tables in web pages until the release of 10.6? Maybe this can be done > for other documents as well. >> >> Finally, I'd really like to see the possibility of setting different > preferences for each application. For example, I might want a different > level of verbosity in a particular application. >> >> On Oct 15, 2010, at 10:43 AM, Krister Ekstrom wrote: >> >> Hi, >> I would really love to see other voices in other languages and that they > ditched those trinoids, good news, bad news, boing and other nonsence voices > that belonged in the days when they didn't really know what to do with > synthetic speech, because they hadn't a screen reader then. Nowadays, there > is Voiceover so then other voices in other languages are more appropriate, > especially since the screen reader itself is actually localized into other > languages than english. >> Other than that, i would love to see a better translation to Swedish of > Voiceover and the feature that the old Outspoken had, namely theability to > know where the cursor was, by hearing a beep when you spell a word, so that > if you had the word "browser" for example and you are in the middle of the > word, just between the "w" and "s", you could hear "b r o w beep s e r" and > if you then went one step to the right with the cursor, it'd go "b r o w s > beep e r" and so on. >> Permanent hot spots savable on a per application basis would also be nice. >> And i totally agree with more accessibility of the ILife suite would be > wonderful. >> /Krister >> >> 15 okt 2010 kl. 19.25 skrev Daniel Rowe: >> >>> Hi all. >>> >>> As you might be aware, apple are holding a "Back To The Mac" event next > Wednesday at 10 eastern in Cupertino, California. There are rumours of > possible upgrades to the MacBook Air and also the unveiling of MAC OS X > 10.7. >>> So, what would you like to see included in next version of the OS, > either generally or VoiceOver specific? >>> >>> Personally, I'd like to see a female voice that is as good as Alex, and > to have voices in other languages even if it meant licensing them from > nuance as they have done in iOS. >>> Accessibility improvements to garage band would be welcome, as well as > making iWeb accessible. >>> The last major thing I can think of is to finally fix the issue of VO > randomly resetting itself. >>> >>> I'm sure they'll come up with a load of things I haven't even thought of. > So what do you all think? >>> >>> Dannie >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. >>> For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. >> For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. >> For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. 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