Hi

On Dec 6, 2010, at 11:21 AM, Carolyn Haas wrote:

> Frank:
> Can you put it into pages?
> 
Sure.  Actually I had put it in to text edit and similar troubles were found 
when switching away and back again.  I'll try pages.

Thanks
--FC



> Carolyn
> On Dec 6, 2010, at 8:54 AM, Frank Carmickle wrote:
> 
>> Hello
>> 
>> Does anyone know if there have been any improvements.  This problem is 
>> killing me.  I have a 1200 page document that I need to read and this keeps 
>> being a huge pain.  I will certainly be logging out and turning VO on and 
>> off.  Also remembering to turn off cursor tracking will certainly find me at 
>> the top of the document in no time for I'm sure that I will forget and ...  
>> Any other pdf reading apps that may do better?
>> 
>> Thanks
>> --FC
>> 
>> On May 11, 2010, at 4:05 PM, Esther wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Olivia,
>>> 
>>> You need to set a hot spot if you want to go back to the same location in 
>>> Preview after shifting to another app. Before you navigate away from 
>>> Preview, press VO-Shift-1 (or any other number key that you want to assign 
>>> to th hot spot).  You'll hear VoiceOver say, "Save as hotspot 1". Then, you 
>>> can switch applications with Command-tab, do something else, and when you 
>>> return to Preview press VO-1 to get back to your hot spot location so you 
>>> can resume reading where you left off.  This is a workaround, and the hot 
>>> spot won't be saved if you have to restart VoiceOver or if you log out.
>>> 
>>> This is a bug in Preview.  Preview is one of the few apps that, at least 
>>> with respect to VoiceOver Navigation and focus on this point, behaved 
>>> better in Tiger than in Leopard.
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> 
>>> Esther
>>> 
>>> On 11 May 2010, at 09:56, olivia norman wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Interesting. I also find that I loose focus when I navigate to another 
>>>> application. For instance, if I am reading a PDF in prieview, and go to 
>>>> text edit to take notes on what I'm reading, when I return to the PDF, I 
>>>> am placed back at the beginning of the document.  This makes reading 
>>>> articles a frustrating experience at times.  Is there a work around for 
>>>> this?
>>>> Thanks!
>>>> Olivia
>>>> On May 11, 2010, at 3:53 PM, Esther wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>> 
>>>>> As Marie says, the key is interacting with the text in Preview.  If you 
>>>>> can't read continuously after interacting, check your PDF Display 
>>>>> settings under the View menu on Preview's menu bar (VO-M to the menu bar, 
>>>>> press "V" to go to the View menu, arrow down, press "P" to go to PDF 
>>>>> Display, right arrow to the submenu, then arrow down to see which display 
>>>>> mode is checked.  The default is "Single Page Continuous".  If "Single 
>>>>> Page" is checked, VoiceOver will stop reading at the end of each page.  
>>>>> This setting can be useful if, for some reason your PDF book starts 
>>>>> reading each page in the middle due to a conversion or format problem.
>>>>> 
>>>>> In Preview you can Command-Right arrow to move to the next page, 
>>>>> Command-Left arrow to move the previous page.  Also, if your PDF supports 
>>>>> Table of Contents organization, and you have navigated and interacted 
>>>>> with the Outline View where the contents are listed and selected a 
>>>>> section (e.g., for one of the Take Control guides, after downloading and 
>>>>> opening the eBook in Preview, tab to "Outline View, Table, no selection"; 
>>>>>  interact, and select a section, then stop interacting and VO-Left arrow 
>>>>> to the main document section of Preview, you can then use  Command-Up 
>>>>> arrow to move to the start of the previous chapter and Command-Down arrow 
>>>>> to move the start of the next chapter.  These correspond to the places 
>>>>> you would select by navigating up and down in the Outline View.  If the 
>>>>> sidebar is not showing "Outline" view, but is instead displaying 
>>>>> "thumbnails" or "search results" because you used Command-F to find a 
>>>>> string in the document, you can use item chooser menu to search for "Menu 
>>>>> Button" (e.g., VO-I, then type "b u t", press return, and arrow down to 
>>>>> the selection and either press return or VO-Space), then bring up the 
>>>>> contextual menu (VO-Shift-M) and arrow up to "Table of Contents".  VO-Up 
>>>>> arrow to the Outline view, interact, and select a section from the 
>>>>> contents.  This only works if the PDF document was constructed with a 
>>>>> viewable table of contents -- you won't find this menu option in PDF 
>>>>> files you simply create by printing with Command-P and saving to PDF.
>> 
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