Actually, I was asking for an opinion, on how much an average blind user may use on a day to day basis, since there were conflicting statements on other lists that I'm on. It's not going to move me either way since I know what I want. Everyone has an opinion. Kliphton SR (twitter) http://twitter.com/kliphton72 (Marriage Blog) http://cm-i-t-real-world.blogspot.com (Google Voice) 657-229-2105 Sent from my IMac
On Jun 25, 2011, at 1:27 PM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav wrote: > Naama, > > indeed, I did not wish it to sound patronising or aggressive, and re-reading > it, I do not believe it does, and I am sorry if you think it does, > > but I stand by what I'm saying here. the original author of the question > asked, and its in the subject line of the message, how much RAM does the > average user need. > > the average user is not audio editing and other things that you are, thus > your answer, in my view and opinion, serves to muddy and confuse the watrees. > bringing into the picture that you benefited from a RAM increase, and do not > regret it, makes the original author think, oh, maybe I will, which is why I > followed up your original post, by asking you why you did it, what your > machine spec was, and what you used it for. > > the answer showed me you were not a typical or average user, thus your > response should have been constructed in that way... > > i.e. to say that you, as a person who uses their Mac for Audio editing, found > the increase in RAM to be of benefit, but that for an average user you feel > or would expect x, or that for an average user you do not know. > > all of my messages I backup with sound practice and experience, I qualify why > I am saying what I am saying and on what bases and understanding, this gives > the reader the opportunity to assess the validity of my response. > > I hope that this clears up my message and my reason for being a little > negative, which I accept I was, but for a reason. > > > Regards, > > Neil Barnfather > > Talks List Administrator > Twitter @neilbarnfather > > TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, for all your > accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com > > URL: - www.talknav.com > e-mail: - [email protected] > Phone: - +44 844 999 4199 > > > > On 25 Jun 2011, at 19:10, Naama Shang wrote: > > I am sure you did not mean for your message to sound as aggressive and > patronising as it did, so I am just going to pretend I did not see it. > Naama > On 25 Jun 2011, at 20:33, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav wrote: > >> Naama, >> >> so you are advocating more RAM to a basic user with minimal requirements, on >> the bases that your usage benefited from an increase in RAM, when by your >> own statement, your usage is not normal or minimal. you are doing a lot with >> audio, this is not a usual usage pattern, granted the Mac is easily capable >> of it, but I doubt that most users are doing what you are. >> >> the key to the response for the person originally asking, is what they're >> needs are, they've not mentioned audio editing etc. thus we as responsible >> respondents should not be bringing that aspect into the mix, it just serves >> to confuse. >> >> >> Regards, >> >> Neil Barnfather >> >> Talks List Administrator >> Twitter @neilbarnfather >> >> TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, for all your >> accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com >> >> URL: - www.talknav.com >> e-mail: - [email protected] >> Phone: - +44 844 999 4199 >> >> >> >> On 25 Jun 2011, at 17:39, Naama Shang wrote: >> >> Hi, >> I do quite a bit on my machine, especially in audio. I am learning the >> machined plan to do all my audio work on it. >> Naama >> On 25 Jun 2011, at 19:28, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav wrote: >> >>> Naama, >>> >>> you say you upgraded your iMac, and you are pleased with the results, how >>> much did you have in the past, what speed of RAM, which Mac do you have, >>> what bus speed, what processor, how fast was the spin speed on your hard >>> drive, what cache level etc. >>> >>> you are implying that the pure RAM improvement made this difference, but >>> the implication is that you had a perfect machine and that the RAM slowed >>> things down, you may have had a lesser machine, and the RAM made things >>> better for you. >>> >>> I'm not saying that you did not notice a benefit, but I'm saying that you >>> likely would have noted one no matter what component you upgraded. >>> >>> what I am saying is that on a 2010 or even 2009 model Mac, with a good >>> specification all round, the difference in performance from 4Gb RAM to >>> anything above, will not be noticed by the average user whatsoever. >>> >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> Neil Barnfather >>> >>> Talks List Administrator >>> Twitter @neilbarnfather >>> >>> TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, for all your >>> accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com >>> >>> URL: - www.talknav.com >>> e-mail: - [email protected] >>> Phone: - +44 844 999 4199 >>> >>> >>> >>> On 25 Jun 2011, at 13:58, Naama Shang wrote: >>> >>> I upgraded my iMac to 8gigs of ram and I am not sorry in the least. >>> Ram, compared to other things,is relatively inexpensive, and the results >>> are well worth it. >>> Naama >>> On 25 Jun 2011, at 08:48, CJ Daniel wrote: >>> >>>> Kliff, >>>> >>>> I was a programmer for years, starting back in the mid-80's. I got my >>>> first PC in, about, '90 or '91, when we were all using DOS 3.5. I've gone >>>> through all the successions. I.E. various versions of DOS, Windows 3.1, >>>> '95, '98 SE, ME, XP, Vista & now Apple Mac. I suppose there can come a >>>> time when a user is buying more memory than they really need. But, >>>> through out all of those experiences, the rule-of-thumb where memory was >>>> concerned, especially for those users who were adding the huge overhead of >>>> screen reading technology, was, "the more the merrier." In fact, my >>>> understanding for the new OS upgrade called Lion is that you need @ least >>>> 2GB to run it. I'm looking @ upgrading my 2 Gigs to as much as Little >>>> Mama will hold. My advice is, shove as much as you can in there & just >>>> enjoy the results. >>>> >>>> CJ >>>> >>>> >>>> On Jun 24, 2011, at 9:24 PM, Kliph&Sharrie wrote: >>>> >>>>> Okay, I am still on a few windows screen readers lists, since I teach a >>>>> few basic classes about JFW and know a lot about the windows side of >>>>> things. Anyways, someone said on this list that the average blind user >>>>> needs no more than 4 gigs of ram, at best anything over 8 would be a >>>>> waste. I'm no exburt, but I have done a little research, and googling >>>>> and have found that the more ram you have, the smoother your system will >>>>> run, mac or PC. This person seem to think even if you had a fast >>>>> processor, that spending money on ram was a waste. Now I will admitt, >>>>> that apple is a little pricy when it comes to ram, but there are third >>>>> party sellers out there with compatible memory for just about any system. >>>>> Thoughts? Oh, 1 more thing this person said, that the only way more >>>>> than 4 gigs would be necessary is if you were doing some high quality >>>>> video or audio editing. 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