I thought it did, too. CJ
P.S. As Riccardo pointed out, not only does it help with processor intensive applications like Garage Band, but you're, also, purchasing some room to grow in the future as operating systems & applications grow. I thought it was an excellent point that needed to be highlighted. On Jun 25, 2011, at 11:27 AM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav wrote: > Naama, > > indeed, I did not wish it to sound patronising or aggressive, and re-reading > it, I do not believe it does, and I am sorry if you think it does, > > but I stand by what I'm saying here. the original author of the question > asked, and its in the subject line of the message, how much RAM does the > average user need. > > the average user is not audio editing and other things that you are, thus > your answer, in my view and opinion, serves to muddy and confuse the watrees. > bringing into the picture that you benefited from a RAM increase, and do not > regret it, makes the original author think, oh, maybe I will, which is why I > followed up your original post, by asking you why you did it, what your > machine spec was, and what you used it for. > > the answer showed me you were not a typical or average user, thus your > response should have been constructed in that way... > > i.e. to say that you, as a person who uses their Mac for Audio editing, found > the increase in RAM to be of benefit, but that for an average user you feel > or would expect x, or that for an average user you do not know. > > all of my messages I backup with sound practice and experience, I qualify why > I am saying what I am saying and on what bases and understanding, this gives > the reader the opportunity to assess the validity of my response. > > I hope that this clears up my message and my reason for being a little > negative, which I accept I was, but for a reason. > > > Regards, > > Neil Barnfather > > Talks List Administrator > Twitter @neilbarnfather > > TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, for all your > accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com > > URL: - www.talknav.com > e-mail: - [email protected] > Phone: - +44 844 999 4199 > > > > On 25 Jun 2011, at 19:10, Naama Shang wrote: > > I am sure you did not mean for your message to sound as aggressive and > patronising as it did, so I am just going to pretend I did not see it. > Naama > On 25 Jun 2011, at 20:33, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav wrote: > >> Naama, >> >> so you are advocating more RAM to a basic user with minimal requirements, on >> the bases that your usage benefited from an increase in RAM, when by your >> own statement, your usage is not normal or minimal. you are doing a lot with >> audio, this is not a usual usage pattern, granted the Mac is easily capable >> of it, but I doubt that most users are doing what you are. >> >> the key to the response for the person originally asking, is what they're >> needs are, they've not mentioned audio editing etc. thus we as responsible >> respondents should not be bringing that aspect into the mix, it just serves >> to confuse. >> >> >> Regards, >> >> Neil Barnfather >> >> Talks List Administrator >> Twitter @neilbarnfather >> >> TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, for all your >> accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com >> >> URL: - www.talknav.com >> e-mail: - [email protected] >> Phone: - +44 844 999 4199 >> >> >> >> On 25 Jun 2011, at 17:39, Naama Shang wrote: >> >> Hi, >> I do quite a bit on my machine, especially in audio. I am learning the >> machined plan to do all my audio work on it. >> Naama >> On 25 Jun 2011, at 19:28, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav wrote: >> >>> Naama, >>> >>> you say you upgraded your iMac, and you are pleased with the results, how >>> much did you have in the past, what speed of RAM, which Mac do you have, >>> what bus speed, what processor, how fast was the spin speed on your hard >>> drive, what cache level etc. >>> >>> you are implying that the pure RAM improvement made this difference, but >>> the implication is that you had a perfect machine and that the RAM slowed >>> things down, you may have had a lesser machine, and the RAM made things >>> better for you. >>> >>> I'm not saying that you did not notice a benefit, but I'm saying that you >>> likely would have noted one no matter what component you upgraded. >>> >>> what I am saying is that on a 2010 or even 2009 model Mac, with a good >>> specification all round, the difference in performance from 4Gb RAM to >>> anything above, will not be noticed by the average user whatsoever. >>> >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> Neil Barnfather >>> >>> Talks List Administrator >>> Twitter @neilbarnfather >>> >>> TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, for all your >>> accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com >>> >>> URL: - www.talknav.com >>> e-mail: - [email protected] >>> Phone: - +44 844 999 4199 >>> >>> >>> >>> On 25 Jun 2011, at 13:58, Naama Shang wrote: >>> >>> I upgraded my iMac to 8gigs of ram and I am not sorry in the least. >>> Ram, compared to other things,is relatively inexpensive, and the results >>> are well worth it. >>> Naama >>> On 25 Jun 2011, at 08:48, CJ Daniel wrote: >>> >>>> Kliff, >>>> >>>> I was a programmer for years, starting back in the mid-80's. I got my >>>> first PC in, about, '90 or '91, when we were all using DOS 3.5. I've gone >>>> through all the successions. I.E. various versions of DOS, Windows 3.1, >>>> '95, '98 SE, ME, XP, Vista & now Apple Mac. I suppose there can come a >>>> time when a user is buying more memory than they really need. But, >>>> through out all of those experiences, the rule-of-thumb where memory was >>>> concerned, especially for those users who were adding the huge overhead of >>>> screen reading technology, was, "the more the merrier." In fact, my >>>> understanding for the new OS upgrade called Lion is that you need @ least >>>> 2GB to run it. I'm looking @ upgrading my 2 Gigs to as much as Little >>>> Mama will hold. My advice is, shove as much as you can in there & just >>>> enjoy the results. >>>> >>>> CJ >>>> >>>> >>>> On Jun 24, 2011, at 9:24 PM, Kliph&Sharrie wrote: >>>> >>>>> Okay, I am still on a few windows screen readers lists, since I teach a >>>>> few basic classes about JFW and know a lot about the windows side of >>>>> things. Anyways, someone said on this list that the average blind user >>>>> needs no more than 4 gigs of ram, at best anything over 8 would be a >>>>> waste. I'm no exburt, but I have done a little research, and googling >>>>> and have found that the more ram you have, the smoother your system will >>>>> run, mac or PC. This person seem to think even if you had a fast >>>>> processor, that spending money on ram was a waste. Now I will admitt, >>>>> that apple is a little pricy when it comes to ram, but there are third >>>>> party sellers out there with compatible memory for just about any system. >>>>> Thoughts? Oh, 1 more thing this person said, that the only way more >>>>> than 4 gigs would be necessary is if you were doing some high quality >>>>> video or audio editing. 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