Everyone has an opinion? Isn't that what you asked for? Grin Since you say you already know what you want, then don't keep us in this awful & lingering suspense. Please share & put us out of our email flying, dander rising misery.
CJ On Jun 25, 2011, at 11:51 AM, Kliph&Sharrie wrote: > Actually, I was asking for an opinion, on how much an average blind user may > use on a day to day basis, since there were conflicting statements on other > lists that I'm on. It's not going to move me either way since I know what I > want. Everyone has an opinion. > Kliphton SR > (twitter) http://twitter.com/kliphton72 > (Marriage Blog) http://cm-i-t-real-world.blogspot.com > (Google Voice) 657-229-2105 > Sent from my IMac > > On Jun 25, 2011, at 1:27 PM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav wrote: > >> Naama, >> >> indeed, I did not wish it to sound patronising or aggressive, and re-reading >> it, I do not believe it does, and I am sorry if you think it does, >> >> but I stand by what I'm saying here. the original author of the question >> asked, and its in the subject line of the message, how much RAM does the >> average user need. >> >> the average user is not audio editing and other things that you are, thus >> your answer, in my view and opinion, serves to muddy and confuse the >> watrees. bringing into the picture that you benefited from a RAM increase, >> and do not regret it, makes the original author think, oh, maybe I will, >> which is why I followed up your original post, by asking you why you did it, >> what your machine spec was, and what you used it for. >> >> the answer showed me you were not a typical or average user, thus your >> response should have been constructed in that way... >> >> i.e. to say that you, as a person who uses their Mac for Audio editing, >> found the increase in RAM to be of benefit, but that for an average user you >> feel or would expect x, or that for an average user you do not know. >> >> all of my messages I backup with sound practice and experience, I qualify >> why I am saying what I am saying and on what bases and understanding, this >> gives the reader the opportunity to assess the validity of my response. >> >> I hope that this clears up my message and my reason for being a little >> negative, which I accept I was, but for a reason. >> >> >> Regards, >> >> Neil Barnfather >> >> Talks List Administrator >> Twitter @neilbarnfather >> >> TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, for all your >> accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com >> >> URL: - www.talknav.com >> e-mail: - [email protected] >> Phone: - +44 844 999 4199 >> >> >> >> On 25 Jun 2011, at 19:10, Naama Shang wrote: >> >> I am sure you did not mean for your message to sound as aggressive and >> patronising as it did, so I am just going to pretend I did not see it. >> Naama >> On 25 Jun 2011, at 20:33, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav wrote: >> >>> Naama, >>> >>> so you are advocating more RAM to a basic user with minimal requirements, >>> on the bases that your usage benefited from an increase in RAM, when by >>> your own statement, your usage is not normal or minimal. you are doing a >>> lot with audio, this is not a usual usage pattern, granted the Mac is >>> easily capable of it, but I doubt that most users are doing what you are. >>> >>> the key to the response for the person originally asking, is what they're >>> needs are, they've not mentioned audio editing etc. thus we as responsible >>> respondents should not be bringing that aspect into the mix, it just serves >>> to confuse. >>> >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> Neil Barnfather >>> >>> Talks List Administrator >>> Twitter @neilbarnfather >>> >>> TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, for all your >>> accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com >>> >>> URL: - www.talknav.com >>> e-mail: - [email protected] >>> Phone: - +44 844 999 4199 >>> >>> >>> >>> On 25 Jun 2011, at 17:39, Naama Shang wrote: >>> >>> Hi, >>> I do quite a bit on my machine, especially in audio. I am learning the >>> machined plan to do all my audio work on it. >>> Naama >>> On 25 Jun 2011, at 19:28, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav wrote: >>> >>>> Naama, >>>> >>>> you say you upgraded your iMac, and you are pleased with the results, how >>>> much did you have in the past, what speed of RAM, which Mac do you have, >>>> what bus speed, what processor, how fast was the spin speed on your hard >>>> drive, what cache level etc. >>>> >>>> you are implying that the pure RAM improvement made this difference, but >>>> the implication is that you had a perfect machine and that the RAM slowed >>>> things down, you may have had a lesser machine, and the RAM made things >>>> better for you. >>>> >>>> I'm not saying that you did not notice a benefit, but I'm saying that you >>>> likely would have noted one no matter what component you upgraded. >>>> >>>> what I am saying is that on a 2010 or even 2009 model Mac, with a good >>>> specification all round, the difference in performance from 4Gb RAM to >>>> anything above, will not be noticed by the average user whatsoever. >>>> >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> >>>> Neil Barnfather >>>> >>>> Talks List Administrator >>>> Twitter @neilbarnfather >>>> >>>> TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, for all your >>>> accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com >>>> >>>> URL: - www.talknav.com >>>> e-mail: - [email protected] >>>> Phone: - +44 844 999 4199 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 25 Jun 2011, at 13:58, Naama Shang wrote: >>>> >>>> I upgraded my iMac to 8gigs of ram and I am not sorry in the least. >>>> Ram, compared to other things,is relatively inexpensive, and the results >>>> are well worth it. >>>> Naama >>>> On 25 Jun 2011, at 08:48, CJ Daniel wrote: >>>> >>>>> Kliff, >>>>> >>>>> I was a programmer for years, starting back in the mid-80's. I got my >>>>> first PC in, about, '90 or '91, when we were all using DOS 3.5. I've >>>>> gone through all the successions. I.E. various versions of DOS, Windows >>>>> 3.1, '95, '98 SE, ME, XP, Vista & now Apple Mac. I suppose there can >>>>> come a time when a user is buying more memory than they really need. >>>>> But, through out all of those experiences, the rule-of-thumb where memory >>>>> was concerned, especially for those users who were adding the huge >>>>> overhead of screen reading technology, was, "the more the merrier." In >>>>> fact, my understanding for the new OS upgrade called Lion is that you >>>>> need @ least 2GB to run it. I'm looking @ upgrading my 2 Gigs to as much >>>>> as Little Mama will hold. My advice is, shove as much as you can in >>>>> there & just enjoy the results. >>>>> >>>>> CJ >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Jun 24, 2011, at 9:24 PM, Kliph&Sharrie wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Okay, I am still on a few windows screen readers lists, since I teach a >>>>>> few basic classes about JFW and know a lot about the windows side of >>>>>> things. Anyways, someone said on this list that the average blind user >>>>>> needs no more than 4 gigs of ram, at best anything over 8 would be a >>>>>> waste. I'm no exburt, but I have done a little research, and googling >>>>>> and have found that the more ram you have, the smoother your system >>>>>> will run, mac or PC. This person seem to think even if you had a fast >>>>>> processor, that spending money on ram was a waste. Now I will admitt, >>>>>> that apple is a little pricy when it comes to ram, but there are third >>>>>> party sellers out there with compatible memory for just about any >>>>>> system. Thoughts? Oh, 1 more thing this person said, that the only way >>>>>> more than 4 gigs would be necessary is if you were doing some high >>>>>> quality video or audio editing. 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