chris, I have a friend who is running a 10.6 virtual machine on the pc side, if that is of anyhelp. He does not use screen readers though. HTH, Rachel. On Sep 14, 2011, at 2:39 PM, Chris Blouch wrote:
> I wonder about the reverse. Could I upgrade to Lion and then use Fusion 4 to > make a virtual 10.6 system so I could test or run stuff that isn't updated > yet? Used to be VMWare stopped you from making a 10.6 virtual machine. > > CB > > On 9/14/11 3:05 PM, Paul Erkens wrote: >> Hi Bill Holton, >> >> You're right. Running Lion inside a vm is a good solution if you don't want >> to upgrade from snow leopard yet. I'm running Lion to my full satisfaction >> and it's running natively. The sandbox is a breeze to work with once you get >> the hang of it. It took me the reading of a chapter in de super duper >> manual, and I was ready to go. I've never attempted to set up anything else >> than windows inside a virtual environment in fusion myself yet. Interested >> to hear how you succeed. >> >> Paul. >> On Sep 14, 2011, at 8:47 PM, Bill Holton wrote: >> >>> I'm thinking a virtual Lion could make a nice sandbox for testing, and if I >>> screw something up I can just delete the virtual machine and set up a new >>> one. >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: [email protected] >>> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Paul Erkens >>> Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 2:23 PM >>> To: [email protected] >>> Subject: Re: Questionabout Super Doopper and external drives >>> >>> Hi Bill Holton, >>> Both sandboxing and running Lion inside vm fusion requires some system >>> maintanance. Why would you want to run lion as a virtual machine by the way? >>> Why not just natively? >>> Paul. >>> On Sep 14, 2011, at 8:07 PM, Bill Holton wrote: >>> >>>> Thanks for these great instructions. It looks like the new version of VM >>>> Fusion will allow me to run Lion as a virtual machine, which sounds like >>> it >>>> will be easier than sandboxing. But I do need to partition and format my >>>> coming USB HD so the instructions are no less appreciated. >>>> Thanks. >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: [email protected] >>>> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Paul Erkens >>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 1:13 PM >>>> To: [email protected] >>>> Subject: Re: Questionabout Super Doopper and external drives >>>> >>>> Hi Bill Holton, >>>> You can repartition an external drive, and create both a fat32 windows >>>> partition and a mac os 10 extended journaled one with mac disk utility. >>> You >>>> can then use the fat32 partition to share data between windows and the >>> mac, >>>> and you can use the os10 partition to maintain a backup of everything on >>>> your mac. Let's begin by looking at how to resize your macintosh hd >>>> partition and have a sandbox beside it. >>>> It involves a few steps which I'll describe below. Not key by key though. >>>> I'll assume that you have some mac knowledge, but just don't know where to >>>> go yet, and in what order. Here you go. >>>> >>>> First open disk utility, to carefully inspect your current configuration >>> so >>>> that you know what you will be changing.. >>>> To do this, Go into the finder, say, your desktop, and press command shift >>> u >>>> from there. This will open your utilities folder. Here, find disk utility >>>> dot app, and open it. >>>> In the disk table on the left, interact, and look at your current disk >>>> configuration. You need to know a few things before you go do something >>>> here. A disk is just a disk, and you cannot use it directly. It needs to >>>> have a partition to hold the file system, inside of which you can store >>>> files. There are many file systems, one of them is fat32, and another is >>> mac >>>> os10 extended journaled. A filesystem lives inside a partition, so the >>>> partition is the container for the file system on the disk. From the disk >>>> perspective, you first have an empty disk. Then you create a partition on >>>> the disk, spanning all or only part of the disk size. As you are creating >>>> the new partition, you must choose which file system is going to live >>> inside >>>> it, because The partition must be formatted for use with the type of file >>>> system that you want to use. In other words, the way you format your >>>> partition, becomes a property of the partition. So, on your external usb >>>> drive, you can have a fat32 partition, and a mac os10 partition, and you >>> can >>>> have 2 separate mac os 10 extended journaled partitions on your internal >>> mac >>>> hard drive. In both cases, You then just allocate one bit to the first >>>> partition, and the rest of the disk space to the other. You do this by >>>> setting the size text fields inside disk utility. See below. >>>> >>>> Once inside disk utility on the mac, you will see your hard disk as the >>>> brand of physical disk inside the machine, for example Hitachi 500gb. This >>>> item in the disk table is usually expanded, meaning there can be something >>>> inside it. And indeed, there is. It's your macintosh hd partition, >>> formatted >>>> as mac os10 extended journaled, with a size of your entire disk. >>>> >>>> What you want to have, is not 1 big partition of 500 or 320 gb, what have >>>> you, but you would like to shrink the os10 partition and make it 20 gb >>>> smaller. You will use these 20 gigabytes for the sandbox partition. This >>> can >>>> be done, but it can't be done non-destructively. In other words: resizing >>>> your partitions with disk utility is indeed destructive, because it will >>>> destroy all data on the disk. In all partitions. >>>> >>>> What you can do is back up everything, then recreate your macintosh hd >>>> partition 20 gb smaller, create a sandbocx partition beside it, and then >>>> restore your data. This is painless, as I experienced yesterday and today. >>>> >>>> You can use super duper. If you have one, take an external usb hard disk >>>> with as much space as you have on your internal hard drive in your mac. >>> Your >>>> external disk can of course be larger, but you will need at most the size >>> of >>>> your mac drive, if you have it filled up. Super duper can create a backup >>> of >>>> your entire system, all apps, system files, preferences and all that. Even >>>> the unregistered version of super duper does it without restriction and >>> will >>>> make the usb backup disk bootable too. Once everything is backed up, you >>> can >>>> restart your mac and boot off of the external disk. >>>> >>>> Note: If you have no other usb disks connected other than your external >>>> backup hard disk, and as long as you only have 1 partition on the mac >>> drive, >>>> you can boot from the usb disk by turning on your mac, and during the >>>> startup sound, hold down the option key for some 10 seconds or so. Release >>>> it, and you will be in a menu. The cursor is on macintosh hd, to boot >>> from. >>>> Arrow left once, hit enter, and you will instead boot from the usb drive. >>> It >>>> takes longer but it works. End of note. >>>> >>>> When booted from the external drive, you have your entire system as usual. >>>> Voice over as well. Because everything was backed up, both disk utility >>> and >>>> super duper are on this external drive too. So now, start disk utility and >>>> look at what you have in the disk table. You will see your mac hard drive >>>> and its macintosh hd partition, you will see your external usb disk that >>> you >>>> are now working from with its partitions, and you may see something called >>> a >>>> super drive. That is simply your mac's internal cd dvd drive. >>>> Now, You want to repartition your internal mac hard drive into 2 new >>>> partitions: macintosh hd 20 gb smaller, and the sandbox partition being 20 >>>> gb in size. >>>> >>>> Put the cursor on the mac hard drive itself. Not on macintosh hd which is >>>> the partition inside it. If you now look at the rest of this disk utility >>>> screen, you will find a number of tabs. One of them is the partition tab. >>>> Push it with vo space. The screen changes to show partitioning options. >>>> >>>> This screen is self-explanatory, except for one thing. There can be a >>> scroll >>>> area. First, you need to choose how many partitions you are going to have >>> in >>>> the new layout. You will find a pop button for this. After you select to >>>> have 2 partitions, a scroll area will appear. It consists of 3 items: the >>>> first partition, a separator and the second partition. Focus on your first >>>> partition inside the scrool area and stop interacting. Now, look left and >>>> right of the scroll area, and you will find places to give the partition >>> its >>>> size, name, and file system. Then go back to the scrool area again, focus >>> on >>>> the second partition which is your sandbox, and fill in the details again >>>> for this partition. Then hit apply, let disk utility do its thing, and >>> then >>>> exit disk utility. Now you have a macintosh hd partition 20 gb smaller, >>> and >>>> you have your 20 gb sand box partition. Both partitions are in place but >>>> they are empty. >>>> >>>> Now, use super duper to restore from your external drive back to macintosh >>>> hd, so that your system is back normal again. >>>> >>>> In super duper, choose your external drive in the source pop up button, >>>> choose macintosh hd as the destination in the second pop up button, use >>> the >>>> backup all files item in the next pop up button, and let it do its thing. >>>> Now, you can boot as usual and nothing should be different. All data is >>> back >>>> on your drive, inside macintosh hd. >>>> >>>> Now for the sand box. Having booted normally, start super duper. Tell it >>> to >>>> back up from macintosh hd, to the new 20 gb sandbox partition, using the >>>> choice named sandbox shared users as your backup method. Don't use smart >>>> update this time yet. You want to be sure that everything is backed up >>> from >>>> macintosh hd to the sandbox partition. When done, close super duper. Now >>>> you have your sandbox in place. Forget about it, until you want to test a >>>> new device driver or piece of software. >>>> >>>> When that time has come, you will first need to boot from the new sandbox >>>> partition. To do that, either do it using the option key at startup, or go >>>> into system preferences, the item startup disk, and set it to boot from >>>> sandbox. This will hold for all subsequent boot ups, until you change it >>>> back. >>>> >>>> Once booted into your sandbox, install the software or drivers and try >>> them >>>> out. Reboot when you want or need to. Sandbox will automatically be the >>>> booted partition because you did that in system preferences. If you are >>>> satisfied with the new software, you will have to install it a second >>> time, >>>> but now on to your real macintosh hd partition. Go to system preferences, >>>> change the startup disk back to macintosh hd, reboot, and install your >>>> driver or software. >>>> >>>> Note: from time to time, it is a good idea to update your sandbox to >>> reflect >>>> the state of your ever changing macintosh hd. To do this, use super duper. >>>> Backup from macintosh hd, to sandbox, backup all files, and use smart >>> update >>>> to bring down the backup time. To turn on smart update, find the options >>>> button on the super duper screen, hit it and select smart update from a >>> pop >>>> up button. Hit ok to close options and hit copy now. Your sand box is now >>> up >>>> to date again, ready for the next unknown bit of software you would like >>> to >>>> have a go at. >>>> Lastly, repartitioning your external drive should now be a snap. If you >>> have >>>> further questions let me know. >>>> Hth, >>>> Paul. >>>> On Sep 14, 2011, at 3:07 PM, Bill Holton wrote: >>>> >>>>> Thanks. The sandbox seems like it would also be a more convenient way to >>>>> get into the Mac if your main system gets messed up. How hard is it to >>>>> repartition your ddrive on the fly? >>>>> Also, any suggestions on what I should do with my coming USB drive so I >>>> can >>>>> use it both to use SuperDuper and have space to swap it to my Windows PC >>>> to >>>>> back it up with a PC backup program? >>>>> Thanks. >>>>> Bill >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: [email protected] >>>>> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Paul Erkens >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 9:04 AM >>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>> Subject: Re: Questionabout Super Doopper and external drives >>>>> >>>>> Hi Bill, James and others, >>>>> >>>>> Super duper is equal in its functionality as far as backing up and >>>> bootable >>>>> backups go. CCC is free. Super duper costs 30 dollars or so. Super duper >>>> has >>>>> an extra bit of functionality though, that I really love, now that I >>>> messed >>>>> up my system installing the wrong drivers and so on in the past. Super >>>> duper >>>>> allows you to create a sand box. A sand box is an entire copy of your mac >>>> os >>>>> 10 system installation residing on another partition of your hard drive, >>>>> that you can use to play around with software updates, system drivers you >>>>> install such as mac fuse and others, and you can mess with applications, >>>>> before you go ahead and actually install them for real into your main >>>>> macintosh hd. If you want to test a new hardware device driver, and you >>>> are >>>>> not sure of the outcome, whether or not it is going to disturb you or >>>>> something in your system, you can install the new driver inside the >>>> sandbox. >>>>> if you find out that everything works just fine inside your second os, >>> the >>>>> sandbox, then you can safely install the new drivers into your real >>>> system. >>>>> What super duper does, is that it requires you to repartition your drive >>>>> into 2 pieces. One for your normal system, and a 20 gb partition for the >>>>> sandbox. >>>>> But then, Once that is done, you have the great advantage of testing new >>>>> drivers and software inside your sandbox, before taking the plunge to >>>>> install them into the daily operating system. If, on the other hand, you >>>>> find that the driver is not working for you, is too intrucive or what >>> ever >>>>> reason you may have to discard it, then all you need to do is copy your >>>>> clean macintosh hd system files over to the sandbox, replacing the mess >>>> you >>>>> created there. Now, you also got rid of the faulty driver in the sandbox. >>>>> No matter if you boot from your macintosh hd or from the sandbox >>>> partition, >>>>> you always have your documents etc at hand. This is because if you boot >>>> from >>>>> macintosh hd, then the documents are accessible as usual. But from the >>>>> sandbox, they are reference using symbolic links, so that, even though >>> the >>>>> sandbox is just a copy of the real os, you can access all your private >>>> stuff >>>>> from there too. That is wonderful in super duper. You should very >>>> carefully >>>>> read the manual though, before you begin sandboxing, so that you are >>> aware >>>>> of what's happening. For example, you should never copy the sandbox back >>>> to >>>>> macintosh hd. That makes you loose all your private stuff. >>>>> >>>>> CCC can backup and make the backup bootable, so if you don't need the >>> sand >>>>> box functionality, then ccc is perfect too. >>>>> >>>>> On Sep 13, 2011, at 6:31 PM, Bill Holton wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi. >>>>>> I have a 2 tarabyte drive on its way, and I have a few questions about >>>> Mac >>>>>> backups. >>>>>> First, as I seem to recall, with Superdooper you can create a backup in >>> a >>>>>> format you can actually boot from, if the system becomes trashed? Is >>>> this >>>>>> correct? Is SuperDooper the only package that allows this,or does time >>>>>> Machine, also? >>>>>> Second question: How would I configure the drive so I can use it to >>> back >>>>> up >>>>>> my Mac, but also swap it out to my PC to back it up? Guessing I'll need >>>>> to >>>>>> create two partitions? 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