Chris, Yes, fusion 4 allows for snow and snow server to run as a virtual machine as well as lion and lion server. HTH, Rachel On Sep 15, 2011, at 3:21 PM, Chris Blouch wrote:
> Well, there were a bunch of hacky ways to do this using special modified > installs from Torrent sites. I'm not really interested in all that. Just > wanted to find out if Fusion 4 took the restriction off for making 10.6 > virtual machines. > > CB > > On 9/14/11 6:45 PM, Rachel magario wrote: >> chris, >> >> I have a friend who is running a 10.6 virtual machine on the pc side, if >> that is of anyhelp. He does not use screen readers though. HTH, >> Rachel. >> On Sep 14, 2011, at 2:39 PM, Chris Blouch wrote: >> >>> I wonder about the reverse. Could I upgrade to Lion and then use Fusion 4 >>> to make a virtual 10.6 system so I could test or run stuff that isn't >>> updated yet? Used to be VMWare stopped you from making a 10.6 virtual >>> machine. >>> >>> CB >>> >>> On 9/14/11 3:05 PM, Paul Erkens wrote: >>>> Hi Bill Holton, >>>> >>>> You're right. Running Lion inside a vm is a good solution if you don't >>>> want to upgrade from snow leopard yet. I'm running Lion to my full >>>> satisfaction and it's running natively. The sandbox is a breeze to work >>>> with once you get the hang of it. It took me the reading of a chapter in >>>> de super duper manual, and I was ready to go. I've never attempted to set >>>> up anything else than windows inside a virtual environment in fusion >>>> myself yet. Interested to hear how you succeed. >>>> >>>> Paul. >>>> On Sep 14, 2011, at 8:47 PM, Bill Holton wrote: >>>> >>>>> I'm thinking a virtual Lion could make a nice sandbox for testing, and if >>>>> I >>>>> screw something up I can just delete the virtual machine and set up a new >>>>> one. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: [email protected] >>>>> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Paul Erkens >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 2:23 PM >>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>> Subject: Re: Questionabout Super Doopper and external drives >>>>> >>>>> Hi Bill Holton, >>>>> Both sandboxing and running Lion inside vm fusion requires some system >>>>> maintanance. Why would you want to run lion as a virtual machine by the >>>>> way? >>>>> Why not just natively? >>>>> Paul. >>>>> On Sep 14, 2011, at 8:07 PM, Bill Holton wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Thanks for these great instructions. It looks like the new version of VM >>>>>> Fusion will allow me to run Lion as a virtual machine, which sounds like >>>>> it >>>>>> will be easier than sandboxing. But I do need to partition and format my >>>>>> coming USB HD so the instructions are no less appreciated. >>>>>> Thanks. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: [email protected] >>>>>> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Paul Erkens >>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 1:13 PM >>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>> Subject: Re: Questionabout Super Doopper and external drives >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi Bill Holton, >>>>>> You can repartition an external drive, and create both a fat32 windows >>>>>> partition and a mac os 10 extended journaled one with mac disk utility. >>>>> You >>>>>> can then use the fat32 partition to share data between windows and the >>>>> mac, >>>>>> and you can use the os10 partition to maintain a backup of everything on >>>>>> your mac. Let's begin by looking at how to resize your macintosh hd >>>>>> partition and have a sandbox beside it. >>>>>> It involves a few steps which I'll describe below. Not key by key though. >>>>>> I'll assume that you have some mac knowledge, but just don't know where >>>>>> to >>>>>> go yet, and in what order. Here you go. >>>>>> >>>>>> First open disk utility, to carefully inspect your current configuration >>>>> so >>>>>> that you know what you will be changing.. >>>>>> To do this, Go into the finder, say, your desktop, and press command >>>>>> shift >>>>> u >>>>>> from there. This will open your utilities folder. Here, find disk utility >>>>>> dot app, and open it. >>>>>> In the disk table on the left, interact, and look at your current disk >>>>>> configuration. You need to know a few things before you go do something >>>>>> here. A disk is just a disk, and you cannot use it directly. It needs to >>>>>> have a partition to hold the file system, inside of which you can store >>>>>> files. There are many file systems, one of them is fat32, and another is >>>>> mac >>>>>> os10 extended journaled. A filesystem lives inside a partition, so the >>>>>> partition is the container for the file system on the disk. From the disk >>>>>> perspective, you first have an empty disk. Then you create a partition on >>>>>> the disk, spanning all or only part of the disk size. As you are creating >>>>>> the new partition, you must choose which file system is going to live >>>>> inside >>>>>> it, because The partition must be formatted for use with the type of file >>>>>> system that you want to use. In other words, the way you format your >>>>>> partition, becomes a property of the partition. So, on your external usb >>>>>> drive, you can have a fat32 partition, and a mac os10 partition, and you >>>>> can >>>>>> have 2 separate mac os 10 extended journaled partitions on your internal >>>>> mac >>>>>> hard drive. In both cases, You then just allocate one bit to the first >>>>>> partition, and the rest of the disk space to the other. You do this by >>>>>> setting the size text fields inside disk utility. See below. >>>>>> >>>>>> Once inside disk utility on the mac, you will see your hard disk as the >>>>>> brand of physical disk inside the machine, for example Hitachi 500gb. >>>>>> This >>>>>> item in the disk table is usually expanded, meaning there can be >>>>>> something >>>>>> inside it. And indeed, there is. It's your macintosh hd partition, >>>>> formatted >>>>>> as mac os10 extended journaled, with a size of your entire disk. >>>>>> >>>>>> What you want to have, is not 1 big partition of 500 or 320 gb, what have >>>>>> you, but you would like to shrink the os10 partition and make it 20 gb >>>>>> smaller. You will use these 20 gigabytes for the sandbox partition. This >>>>> can >>>>>> be done, but it can't be done non-destructively. In other words: resizing >>>>>> your partitions with disk utility is indeed destructive, because it will >>>>>> destroy all data on the disk. In all partitions. >>>>>> >>>>>> What you can do is back up everything, then recreate your macintosh hd >>>>>> partition 20 gb smaller, create a sandbocx partition beside it, and then >>>>>> restore your data. This is painless, as I experienced yesterday and >>>>>> today. >>>>>> >>>>>> You can use super duper. If you have one, take an external usb hard disk >>>>>> with as much space as you have on your internal hard drive in your mac. >>>>> Your >>>>>> external disk can of course be larger, but you will need at most the size >>>>> of >>>>>> your mac drive, if you have it filled up. Super duper can create a backup >>>>> of >>>>>> your entire system, all apps, system files, preferences and all that. >>>>>> Even >>>>>> the unregistered version of super duper does it without restriction and >>>>> will >>>>>> make the usb backup disk bootable too. Once everything is backed up, you >>>>> can >>>>>> restart your mac and boot off of the external disk. >>>>>> >>>>>> Note: If you have no other usb disks connected other than your external >>>>>> backup hard disk, and as long as you only have 1 partition on the mac >>>>> drive, >>>>>> you can boot from the usb disk by turning on your mac, and during the >>>>>> startup sound, hold down the option key for some 10 seconds or so. >>>>>> Release >>>>>> it, and you will be in a menu. The cursor is on macintosh hd, to boot >>>>> from. >>>>>> Arrow left once, hit enter, and you will instead boot from the usb drive. >>>>> It >>>>>> takes longer but it works. End of note. >>>>>> >>>>>> When booted from the external drive, you have your entire system as >>>>>> usual. >>>>>> Voice over as well. Because everything was backed up, both disk utility >>>>> and >>>>>> super duper are on this external drive too. So now, start disk utility >>>>>> and >>>>>> look at what you have in the disk table. You will see your mac hard drive >>>>>> and its macintosh hd partition, you will see your external usb disk that >>>>> you >>>>>> are now working from with its partitions, and you may see something >>>>>> called >>>>> a >>>>>> super drive. That is simply your mac's internal cd dvd drive. >>>>>> Now, You want to repartition your internal mac hard drive into 2 new >>>>>> partitions: macintosh hd 20 gb smaller, and the sandbox partition being >>>>>> 20 >>>>>> gb in size. >>>>>> >>>>>> Put the cursor on the mac hard drive itself. Not on macintosh hd which is >>>>>> the partition inside it. If you now look at the rest of this disk utility >>>>>> screen, you will find a number of tabs. One of them is the partition tab. >>>>>> Push it with vo space. The screen changes to show partitioning options. >>>>>> >>>>>> This screen is self-explanatory, except for one thing. There can be a >>>>> scroll >>>>>> area. First, you need to choose how many partitions you are going to have >>>>> in >>>>>> the new layout. You will find a pop button for this. After you select to >>>>>> have 2 partitions, a scroll area will appear. It consists of 3 items: the >>>>>> first partition, a separator and the second partition. Focus on your >>>>>> first >>>>>> partition inside the scrool area and stop interacting. Now, look left and >>>>>> right of the scroll area, and you will find places to give the partition >>>>> its >>>>>> size, name, and file system. Then go back to the scrool area again, focus >>>>> on >>>>>> the second partition which is your sandbox, and fill in the details again >>>>>> for this partition. Then hit apply, let disk utility do its thing, and >>>>> then >>>>>> exit disk utility. Now you have a macintosh hd partition 20 gb smaller, >>>>> and >>>>>> you have your 20 gb sand box partition. Both partitions are in place but >>>>>> they are empty. >>>>>> >>>>>> Now, use super duper to restore from your external drive back to >>>>>> macintosh >>>>>> hd, so that your system is back normal again. >>>>>> >>>>>> In super duper, choose your external drive in the source pop up button, >>>>>> choose macintosh hd as the destination in the second pop up button, use >>>>> the >>>>>> backup all files item in the next pop up button, and let it do its thing. >>>>>> Now, you can boot as usual and nothing should be different. All data is >>>>> back >>>>>> on your drive, inside macintosh hd. >>>>>> >>>>>> Now for the sand box. Having booted normally, start super duper. Tell it >>>>> to >>>>>> back up from macintosh hd, to the new 20 gb sandbox partition, using the >>>>>> choice named sandbox shared users as your backup method. Don't use smart >>>>>> update this time yet. You want to be sure that everything is backed up >>>>> from >>>>>> macintosh hd to the sandbox partition. When done, close super duper. Now >>>>>> you have your sandbox in place. Forget about it, until you want to test a >>>>>> new device driver or piece of software. >>>>>> >>>>>> When that time has come, you will first need to boot from the new sandbox >>>>>> partition. To do that, either do it using the option key at startup, or >>>>>> go >>>>>> into system preferences, the item startup disk, and set it to boot from >>>>>> sandbox. This will hold for all subsequent boot ups, until you change it >>>>>> back. >>>>>> >>>>>> Once booted into your sandbox, install the software or drivers and try >>>>> them >>>>>> out. Reboot when you want or need to. Sandbox will automatically be the >>>>>> booted partition because you did that in system preferences. If you are >>>>>> satisfied with the new software, you will have to install it a second >>>>> time, >>>>>> but now on to your real macintosh hd partition. Go to system preferences, >>>>>> change the startup disk back to macintosh hd, reboot, and install your >>>>>> driver or software. >>>>>> >>>>>> Note: from time to time, it is a good idea to update your sandbox to >>>>> reflect >>>>>> the state of your ever changing macintosh hd. To do this, use super >>>>>> duper. >>>>>> Backup from macintosh hd, to sandbox, backup all files, and use smart >>>>> update >>>>>> to bring down the backup time. To turn on smart update, find the options >>>>>> button on the super duper screen, hit it and select smart update from a >>>>> pop >>>>>> up button. Hit ok to close options and hit copy now. Your sand box is now >>>>> up >>>>>> to date again, ready for the next unknown bit of software you would like >>>>> to >>>>>> have a go at. >>>>>> Lastly, repartitioning your external drive should now be a snap. If you >>>>> have >>>>>> further questions let me know. >>>>>> Hth, >>>>>> Paul. >>>>>> On Sep 14, 2011, at 3:07 PM, Bill Holton wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks. The sandbox seems like it would also be a more convenient way >>>>>>> to >>>>>>> get into the Mac if your main system gets messed up. How hard is it to >>>>>>> repartition your ddrive on the fly? >>>>>>> Also, any suggestions on what I should do with my coming USB drive so I >>>>>> can >>>>>>> use it both to use SuperDuper and have space to swap it to my Windows PC >>>>>> to >>>>>>> back it up with a PC backup program? >>>>>>> Thanks. >>>>>>> Bill >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>> From: [email protected] >>>>>>> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Paul Erkens >>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 9:04 AM >>>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>>> Subject: Re: Questionabout Super Doopper and external drives >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi Bill, James and others, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Super duper is equal in its functionality as far as backing up and >>>>>> bootable >>>>>>> backups go. CCC is free. Super duper costs 30 dollars or so. Super duper >>>>>> has >>>>>>> an extra bit of functionality though, that I really love, now that I >>>>>> messed >>>>>>> up my system installing the wrong drivers and so on in the past. Super >>>>>> duper >>>>>>> allows you to create a sand box. A sand box is an entire copy of your >>>>>>> mac >>>>>> os >>>>>>> 10 system installation residing on another partition of your hard drive, >>>>>>> that you can use to play around with software updates, system drivers >>>>>>> you >>>>>>> install such as mac fuse and others, and you can mess with applications, >>>>>>> before you go ahead and actually install them for real into your main >>>>>>> macintosh hd. If you want to test a new hardware device driver, and you >>>>>> are >>>>>>> not sure of the outcome, whether or not it is going to disturb you or >>>>>>> something in your system, you can install the new driver inside the >>>>>> sandbox. >>>>>>> if you find out that everything works just fine inside your second os, >>>>> the >>>>>>> sandbox, then you can safely install the new drivers into your real >>>>>> system. >>>>>>> What super duper does, is that it requires you to repartition your drive >>>>>>> into 2 pieces. One for your normal system, and a 20 gb partition for the >>>>>>> sandbox. >>>>>>> But then, Once that is done, you have the great advantage of testing new >>>>>>> drivers and software inside your sandbox, before taking the plunge to >>>>>>> install them into the daily operating system. If, on the other hand, you >>>>>>> find that the driver is not working for you, is too intrucive or what >>>>> ever >>>>>>> reason you may have to discard it, then all you need to do is copy your >>>>>>> clean macintosh hd system files over to the sandbox, replacing the mess >>>>>> you >>>>>>> created there. Now, you also got rid of the faulty driver in the >>>>>>> sandbox. >>>>>>> No matter if you boot from your macintosh hd or from the sandbox >>>>>> partition, >>>>>>> you always have your documents etc at hand. This is because if you boot >>>>>> from >>>>>>> macintosh hd, then the documents are accessible as usual. But from the >>>>>>> sandbox, they are reference using symbolic links, so that, even though >>>>> the >>>>>>> sandbox is just a copy of the real os, you can access all your private >>>>>> stuff >>>>>>> from there too. That is wonderful in super duper. You should very >>>>>> carefully >>>>>>> read the manual though, before you begin sandboxing, so that you are >>>>> aware >>>>>>> of what's happening. For example, you should never copy the sandbox back >>>>>> to >>>>>>> macintosh hd. That makes you loose all your private stuff. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> CCC can backup and make the backup bootable, so if you don't need the >>>>> sand >>>>>>> box functionality, then ccc is perfect too. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sep 13, 2011, at 6:31 PM, Bill Holton wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi. >>>>>>>> I have a 2 tarabyte drive on its way, and I have a few questions about >>>>>> Mac >>>>>>>> backups. >>>>>>>> First, as I seem to recall, with Superdooper you can create a backup in >>>>> a >>>>>>>> format you can actually boot from, if the system becomes trashed? Is >>>>>> this >>>>>>>> correct? Is SuperDooper the only package that allows this,or does time >>>>>>>> Machine, also? >>>>>>>> Second question: How would I configure the drive so I can use it to >>>>> back >>>>>>> up >>>>>>>> my Mac, but also swap it out to my PC to back it up? Guessing I'll >>>>>>>> need >>>>>>> to >>>>>>>> create two partitions? If so, how do I create the correct two using >>>>>>> Tiger? >>>>>>>> Thanks. >>>>>>>> Bill >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups >>>>>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>>> [email protected]. >>>>>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>> Groups >>>>>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>>> [email protected]. >>>>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>> Groups >>>>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>> [email protected]. >>>>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>>>> -- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>> [email protected]. >>>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>> [email protected]. >>>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>> [email protected]. >>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>> [email protected]. >>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> [email protected]. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. 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