Chris,

Yes, fusion 4 allows for snow and snow server to run as a virtual machine as 
well as lion and lion server.
HTH,
Rachel
On Sep 15, 2011, at 3:21 PM, Chris Blouch wrote:

> Well, there were a bunch of hacky ways to do this using special modified 
> installs from Torrent sites. I'm not really interested in all that. Just 
> wanted to find out if Fusion 4 took the restriction off for making 10.6 
> virtual machines.
> 
> CB
> 
> On 9/14/11 6:45 PM, Rachel magario wrote:
>> chris,
>> 
>> I have a friend who is running a 10.6 virtual machine on the pc side, if 
>> that is of anyhelp. He does not use screen readers though. HTH,
>> Rachel.
>> On Sep 14, 2011, at 2:39 PM, Chris Blouch wrote:
>> 
>>> I wonder about the reverse. Could I upgrade to Lion and then use Fusion 4 
>>> to make a virtual 10.6 system so I could test or run stuff that isn't 
>>> updated yet? Used to be VMWare stopped you from making a 10.6 virtual 
>>> machine.
>>> 
>>> CB
>>> 
>>> On 9/14/11 3:05 PM, Paul Erkens wrote:
>>>> Hi Bill Holton,
>>>> 
>>>> You're right. Running Lion inside a vm is a good solution if you don't 
>>>> want to upgrade from snow leopard yet. I'm running Lion to my full 
>>>> satisfaction and it's running natively. The sandbox is a breeze to work 
>>>> with once you get the hang of it. It took me the reading of a chapter in 
>>>> de super duper manual, and I was ready to go. I've never attempted to set 
>>>> up anything else than windows inside a virtual environment in fusion 
>>>> myself yet. Interested to hear how you succeed.
>>>> 
>>>> Paul.
>>>> On Sep 14, 2011, at 8:47 PM, Bill Holton wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> I'm thinking a virtual Lion could make a nice sandbox for testing, and if 
>>>>> I
>>>>> screw something up I can just delete the virtual machine and set up a new
>>>>> one.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: [email protected]
>>>>> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Paul Erkens
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 2:23 PM
>>>>> To: [email protected]
>>>>> Subject: Re: Questionabout Super Doopper and external drives
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi Bill Holton,
>>>>> Both sandboxing and running Lion inside vm fusion requires some system
>>>>> maintanance. Why would you want to run lion as a virtual machine by the 
>>>>> way?
>>>>> Why not just natively?
>>>>> Paul.
>>>>> On Sep 14, 2011, at 8:07 PM, Bill Holton wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Thanks for these great instructions.  It looks like the new version of VM
>>>>>> Fusion will allow me to run Lion as a virtual machine, which sounds like
>>>>> it
>>>>>> will be easier than sandboxing.  But I do need to partition and format my
>>>>>> coming USB HD so the instructions are no less appreciated.
>>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: [email protected]
>>>>>> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Paul Erkens
>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 1:13 PM
>>>>>> To: [email protected]
>>>>>> Subject: Re: Questionabout Super Doopper and external drives
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi Bill Holton,
>>>>>> You can repartition an external drive, and create both a fat32 windows
>>>>>> partition and a mac os 10 extended journaled one with mac disk utility.
>>>>> You
>>>>>> can then use the fat32 partition to share data between windows and the
>>>>> mac,
>>>>>> and you can use the os10 partition to maintain a backup of everything on
>>>>>> your mac. Let's begin by looking at how to resize your macintosh hd
>>>>>> partition and have a sandbox beside it.
>>>>>> It involves a few steps which I'll describe below. Not key by key though.
>>>>>> I'll assume that you have some mac knowledge, but just don't know where 
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> go yet, and in what order. Here you go.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> First open disk utility, to carefully inspect your current configuration
>>>>> so
>>>>>> that you know what you will be changing..
>>>>>> To do this, Go into the finder, say, your desktop, and press command 
>>>>>> shift
>>>>> u
>>>>>> from there. This will open your utilities folder. Here, find disk utility
>>>>>> dot app, and open it.
>>>>>> In the disk table on the left, interact, and look at your current disk
>>>>>> configuration. You need to know a few things before you go do something
>>>>>> here. A disk is just a disk, and you cannot use it directly. It needs to
>>>>>> have a partition to hold the file system, inside of which you can store
>>>>>> files. There are many file systems, one of them is fat32, and another is
>>>>> mac
>>>>>> os10 extended journaled. A filesystem lives inside a partition, so the
>>>>>> partition is the container for the file system on the disk. From the disk
>>>>>> perspective, you first have an empty disk. Then you create a partition on
>>>>>> the disk, spanning all or only part of the disk size. As you are creating
>>>>>> the new partition, you must choose which file system is going to live
>>>>> inside
>>>>>> it, because The partition must be formatted for use with the type of file
>>>>>> system that you want to use. In other words, the way you format your
>>>>>> partition, becomes a property of the partition. So, on your external usb
>>>>>> drive, you can have a fat32 partition, and a mac os10 partition, and you
>>>>> can
>>>>>> have 2 separate mac os 10 extended journaled partitions on your internal
>>>>> mac
>>>>>> hard drive. In both cases, You then just allocate one bit to the first
>>>>>> partition, and the rest of the disk space to the other. You do this by
>>>>>> setting the size text fields inside disk utility. See below.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Once inside disk utility on the mac, you will see your hard disk as the
>>>>>> brand of physical disk inside the machine, for example Hitachi 500gb. 
>>>>>> This
>>>>>> item in the disk table is usually expanded, meaning there can be 
>>>>>> something
>>>>>> inside it. And indeed, there is. It's your macintosh hd partition,
>>>>> formatted
>>>>>> as mac os10 extended journaled, with a size of your entire disk.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> What you want to have, is not 1 big partition of 500 or 320 gb, what have
>>>>>> you, but you would like to shrink the os10 partition and make it 20 gb
>>>>>> smaller. You will use these 20 gigabytes for the sandbox partition. This
>>>>> can
>>>>>> be done, but it can't be done non-destructively. In other words: resizing
>>>>>> your partitions with disk utility is indeed destructive, because it will
>>>>>> destroy all data on the disk. In all partitions.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> What you can do is back up everything, then recreate your macintosh hd
>>>>>> partition 20 gb smaller, create a sandbocx partition beside it, and then
>>>>>> restore your data. This is painless, as I experienced yesterday and 
>>>>>> today.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> You can use super duper. If you have one, take an external usb hard disk
>>>>>> with as much space as you have on your internal hard drive in your mac.
>>>>> Your
>>>>>> external disk can of course be larger, but you will need at most the size
>>>>> of
>>>>>> your mac drive, if you have it filled up. Super duper can create a backup
>>>>> of
>>>>>> your entire system, all apps, system files, preferences and all that. 
>>>>>> Even
>>>>>> the unregistered version of super duper does it without restriction and
>>>>> will
>>>>>> make the usb backup disk bootable too. Once everything is backed up, you
>>>>> can
>>>>>> restart your mac and boot off of the external disk.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Note: If you have no other usb disks connected other than your external
>>>>>> backup hard disk, and as long as you only have 1 partition on the mac
>>>>> drive,
>>>>>> you can boot from the usb disk by turning on your mac, and during the
>>>>>> startup sound, hold down the option key for some 10 seconds or so. 
>>>>>> Release
>>>>>> it, and you will be in a menu. The cursor is on macintosh hd, to boot
>>>>> from.
>>>>>> Arrow left once, hit enter, and you will instead boot from the usb drive.
>>>>> It
>>>>>> takes longer but it works. End of note.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> When booted from the external drive, you have your entire system as 
>>>>>> usual.
>>>>>> Voice over as well. Because everything was backed up, both disk utility
>>>>> and
>>>>>> super duper are on this external drive too. So now, start disk utility 
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> look at what you have in the disk table. You will see your mac hard drive
>>>>>> and its macintosh hd partition, you will see your external usb disk that
>>>>> you
>>>>>> are now working from with its partitions, and you may see something 
>>>>>> called
>>>>> a
>>>>>> super drive. That is simply your mac's internal cd dvd drive.
>>>>>> Now, You want to repartition your internal mac hard drive into 2 new
>>>>>> partitions: macintosh hd 20 gb smaller, and the sandbox partition being 
>>>>>> 20
>>>>>> gb in size.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Put the cursor on the mac hard drive itself. Not on macintosh hd which is
>>>>>> the partition inside it. If you now look at the rest of this disk utility
>>>>>> screen, you will find a number of tabs. One of them is the partition tab.
>>>>>> Push it with vo space. The screen changes to show partitioning options.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> This screen is self-explanatory, except for one thing. There can be a
>>>>> scroll
>>>>>> area. First, you need to choose how many partitions you are going to have
>>>>> in
>>>>>> the new layout. You will find a pop button for this. After you select to
>>>>>> have 2 partitions, a scroll area will appear. It consists of 3 items: the
>>>>>> first partition, a separator and the second partition. Focus on your 
>>>>>> first
>>>>>> partition inside the scrool area and stop interacting. Now, look left and
>>>>>> right of the scroll area, and you will find places to give the partition
>>>>> its
>>>>>> size, name, and file system. Then go back to the scrool area again, focus
>>>>> on
>>>>>> the second partition which is your sandbox, and fill in the details again
>>>>>> for this partition. Then hit apply, let disk utility do its thing, and
>>>>> then
>>>>>> exit disk utility. Now you have a macintosh hd partition 20 gb smaller,
>>>>> and
>>>>>> you have your 20 gb sand box partition. Both partitions are in place but
>>>>>> they are empty.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Now, use super duper to restore from your external drive back to 
>>>>>> macintosh
>>>>>> hd, so that your system is back normal again.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> In super duper, choose your external drive in the source pop up button,
>>>>>> choose macintosh hd as the destination in the second pop up button, use
>>>>> the
>>>>>> backup all files item in the next pop up button, and let it do its thing.
>>>>>> Now, you can boot as usual and nothing should be different. All data is
>>>>> back
>>>>>> on your drive, inside macintosh hd.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Now for the sand box. Having booted normally, start super duper. Tell it
>>>>> to
>>>>>> back up from macintosh hd, to the new 20 gb sandbox partition, using the
>>>>>> choice named sandbox shared users as your backup method. Don't use smart
>>>>>> update this time yet. You want to be sure that everything is backed up
>>>>> from
>>>>>> macintosh hd to the sandbox partition.  When done, close super duper. Now
>>>>>> you have your sandbox in place. Forget about it, until you want to test a
>>>>>> new device driver or piece of software.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> When that time has come, you will first need to boot from the new sandbox
>>>>>> partition. To do that, either do it using the option key at startup, or 
>>>>>> go
>>>>>> into system preferences, the item startup disk, and set it to boot from
>>>>>> sandbox. This will hold for all subsequent boot ups, until you change it
>>>>>> back.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Once booted into your sandbox, install the software or drivers and try
>>>>> them
>>>>>> out. Reboot when you want or need to. Sandbox will automatically be the
>>>>>> booted partition because you did that in system preferences. If you are
>>>>>> satisfied with the new software, you will have to install it a second
>>>>> time,
>>>>>> but now on to your real macintosh hd partition. Go to system preferences,
>>>>>> change the startup disk back to macintosh hd, reboot, and install your
>>>>>> driver or software.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Note: from time to time, it is a good idea to update your sandbox to
>>>>> reflect
>>>>>> the state of your ever changing macintosh hd. To do this, use super 
>>>>>> duper.
>>>>>> Backup from macintosh hd, to sandbox, backup all files, and use smart
>>>>> update
>>>>>> to bring down the backup time. To turn on smart update, find the options
>>>>>> button on the super duper screen, hit it and select smart update from a
>>>>> pop
>>>>>> up button. Hit ok to close options and hit copy now. Your sand box is now
>>>>> up
>>>>>> to date again, ready for the next unknown bit of software you would like
>>>>> to
>>>>>> have a go at.
>>>>>> Lastly, repartitioning your external drive should now be a snap. If you
>>>>> have
>>>>>> further questions let me know.
>>>>>> Hth,
>>>>>> Paul.
>>>>>> On Sep 14, 2011, at 3:07 PM, Bill Holton wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Thanks.  The sandbox seems like it would also be a more convenient way 
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> get into the Mac if your main system gets messed up.  How hard is it to
>>>>>>> repartition your ddrive on the fly?
>>>>>>> Also, any suggestions on what I should do with my coming USB drive so I
>>>>>> can
>>>>>>> use it both to use SuperDuper and have space to swap it to my Windows PC
>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> back it up with a PC backup program?
>>>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>>> Bill
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: [email protected]
>>>>>>> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Paul Erkens
>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 9:04 AM
>>>>>>> To: [email protected]
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Questionabout Super Doopper and external drives
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Hi Bill, James and others,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Super duper is equal in its functionality as far as backing up and
>>>>>> bootable
>>>>>>> backups go. CCC is free. Super duper costs 30 dollars or so. Super duper
>>>>>> has
>>>>>>> an extra bit of functionality though, that I really love, now that I
>>>>>> messed
>>>>>>> up my system installing the wrong drivers and so on in the past. Super
>>>>>> duper
>>>>>>> allows you to create a sand box. A sand box is an entire copy of your 
>>>>>>> mac
>>>>>> os
>>>>>>> 10 system installation residing on another partition of your hard drive,
>>>>>>> that you can use to play around with software updates, system drivers 
>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>> install such as mac fuse and others, and you can mess with applications,
>>>>>>> before you go ahead and actually install them for real into your main
>>>>>>> macintosh hd. If you want to test a new hardware device driver, and you
>>>>>> are
>>>>>>> not sure of the outcome, whether or not it is going to disturb you or
>>>>>>> something in your system, you can install the new driver inside the
>>>>>> sandbox.
>>>>>>> if you find out that everything works just fine inside your second os,
>>>>> the
>>>>>>> sandbox, then you can safely install the new drivers into your real
>>>>>> system.
>>>>>>> What super duper does, is that it requires you to repartition your drive
>>>>>>> into 2 pieces. One for your normal system, and a 20 gb partition for the
>>>>>>> sandbox.
>>>>>>> But then, Once that is done, you have the great advantage of testing new
>>>>>>> drivers and software inside your sandbox, before taking the plunge to
>>>>>>> install them into the daily operating system. If, on the other hand, you
>>>>>>> find that the driver is not working for you, is too intrucive or what
>>>>> ever
>>>>>>> reason you may have to discard it, then all you need to do is copy your
>>>>>>> clean macintosh hd system files over to the sandbox, replacing the mess
>>>>>> you
>>>>>>> created there. Now, you also got rid of the faulty driver in the 
>>>>>>> sandbox.
>>>>>>> No matter if you boot from your macintosh hd or from the sandbox
>>>>>> partition,
>>>>>>> you always have your documents etc at hand. This is because if you boot
>>>>>> from
>>>>>>> macintosh hd, then the documents are accessible as usual. But from the
>>>>>>> sandbox, they are reference using symbolic links, so that, even though
>>>>> the
>>>>>>> sandbox is just a copy of the real os, you can access all your private
>>>>>> stuff
>>>>>>> from there too. That is wonderful in super duper. You should very
>>>>>> carefully
>>>>>>> read the manual though, before you begin sandboxing, so that you are
>>>>> aware
>>>>>>> of what's happening. For example, you should never copy the sandbox back
>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> macintosh hd. That makes you loose all your private stuff.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> CCC can backup and make the backup bootable, so if you don't need the
>>>>> sand
>>>>>>> box functionality, then ccc is perfect too.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Sep 13, 2011, at 6:31 PM, Bill Holton wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Hi.
>>>>>>>> I have a 2 tarabyte drive on its way, and I have a few questions about
>>>>>> Mac
>>>>>>>> backups.
>>>>>>>> First, as I seem to recall, with Superdooper you can create a backup in
>>>>> a
>>>>>>>> format you can actually boot from, if the system becomes trashed?  Is
>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>> correct?  Is SuperDooper the only package that allows this,or does time
>>>>>>>> Machine, also?
>>>>>>>> Second question:  How would I configure the drive so I can use it to
>>>>> back
>>>>>>> up
>>>>>>>> my Mac, but also swap it out to my PC to back it up?  Guessing I'll 
>>>>>>>> need
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> create two partitions?  If so, how do I create the correct two using
>>>>>>> Tiger?
>>>>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>>>> Bill
>>>>>>>> 
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