Hi All.
If everyone having such problems and are based within the USA. Why don't you
initiate a class action against FaceBook for ADA. Assuming they do not
listen or try and make changes. Facebook is regarded as a tool used by
businesses, not only for personal use.
I cannot initiate it because I don't come from USA and the laws in my
country wouldn't hold up.
Sean
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From: "Kestrell" <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, December 02, 2011 2:18 AM
Subject: Re: how to work with facebook?
There is also the larger problem in that many of the issues which make
Facebook difficult to use with a screen reader also make it difficult to
program an app for, primarily being that Facebook's interface changes so
often. Additionally, figuring out what to include in the app is
problematical: some users want a scaled-down version of Facebook like the
mobile interface, and they use only a few of the features--like posting
status updates and reading the FB pages of their friends--and other users
want to use all of the features, including game invites and photos. This
points to one issue in particular which makes it difficult to design for:
Facebook is not realy a single program, although it is referred to as
such, but instead it is actually a large group of apps itself, made up of
multiple programs which can change at any time.
Then there are issues which are just a mystery, like why I can use the
mobile Facebook site on my Windows machine just fine, but I can't get it
to load in Safari or, at least, it is going to some other link which
starts with the mobile interface URL but then has a string of other
letters in the URL address which brings me to some page which is
unreadable with VO. I don't even know if this is a Facebook issue, a
Safari issue, or even why I am being redirected, and of course, getting
Facebook to cooperate with accessibility issues is like pulling teeth. To
program even a basic app the programmer needs access to information about
the program for which the app is being developed, and without more
information and a less changeable interface, developing such an app
becomes very difficult.
Kestrell
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From: "Teresa Cochran" <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 9:59 AM
Subject: Re: how to work with facebook?
This is the quicksand I don't like to get into: whether an app is
accessible or not. I think facebook is accessible; just hard to use at
times. When I think of inaccessible, I think of apps that don't have
anything read by VO at all. Just my two cents.
Teresa
"On the other hand, there are different fingers."
On Dec 1, 2011, at 6:05 AM, Rahul Bajaj wrote:
Isn't it possible for anyone to make an accessible app for using
Facebook?
Some of the people in this group are really very skilled when it comes
to these things, so can't they do anything about it?
On 01/12/2011, Teresa Cochran <[email protected]> wrote:
Hi, Paul,
With Facebook, I do a lot of VO-f keypresses to find things like
"friends"
or "what's on your mind?" Also I use VO-command-j to find form fields,
VO-command-H to find headings, and VO-command-l to find links. To get
past
all the top stories, I go past the search form field with a bunch of
VO-command-J's and then press VO-command-H to find the first story in
the
most recent category.
HTh,
Teresa
I'm a pantheist; I worship Pan.
On Nov 30, 2011, at 9:35 AM, Chris Blouch wrote:
While the solution is patented and currently under development, the
folks
over at Towson University have come up with a novel approach using
sound
cues instead of garbled speech as the captcha. I'm trying to get
access to
a demo but there is a lot of NDA wrapped around it so I probably can't
share much else at this point. If it works well 'for real' I expect
you'll
see this spread all over the internet for audio captchas. Here is
their
press release which is also a bit skimpy on details:
http://www.towson.edu/outreach/press.asp?e=126&t=n
CB
On 11/30/11 12:01 PM, Mr. L. Alexander wrote:
the problem with facebook extends to many thousands of sites across
the
world who do not properly code or object label their sites. each part
of
a site contains graphical links, etc which in cases are not labeled
or if
ar then left as numbers, making life EXTREMELY difficult for us all.
it's not a case of an app in most cases to make a website accessible,
it's a question of the developers listening to website accessibility
requirements and documentation which is widely available and in many
cases, developers comply with these rules and development
requirements.
that's the sad fact of it. I've lost count of sites I've had to work
with
where I've had to have sighted help even to get a bloomin phone
number.
the other ridiculous issue is CAPTCHA. don't get me started on this
nightmare, then adding inaudible translations which are poorly
recorded
and distorted. an absolute joke.
sorry. it's one of those days for Free Macs For The Blind where
things
aren't looking too good.
lew
On 30 Nov 2011, at 16:19, Paul Erkens wrote:
Dear listers,
What is the best way for a voiceover mac or an iphone user to work
with
facebook? I have a small app on my phone but its accessibility is
not
what you would wish for, to say it carefully. I just don't get the
hang
of it with all those unlabeled things that say image
image
button button button. The normal facebook site is big. I don't find
my
around there easily. There's also a mobile version, but is there an
alternative? For example, another facebook app, not from the
facebook
team, an app that is accessible to voiceover? If we have to use
either
the regular or the mobile facebook site, do you have any information
on
what to ignore?
Paul.
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