A simple solution is this and it's something easy to manage.

Where an application developer creates an application from scratch as an 
example and intends to write for multiple OS architectures, Windows, Mac, 
Linux, etc,

The developer in most cases has 2 options. Either a universal custom manguage 
allowing just one app to be created, then to be compiled to  sub platforms ( OS 
X, windows, linux, etc) or and this would be a much better option.

the developer of an app have a dedicated windows system and dedicated mac 
system to use suitable programming languages which then give user accessibility 
options based on the true OS on each host. thereby giving a much cleaner 
approach to creating a market app.

I completely disagree with adobe in their support infrastructure to access 
technology. They're a company primarily based in design and production tools 
and of course as part of their infrastructure use plugins which the consumer 
uses such as adobe flash, shockwave, etc in any website environment. not 
allowing us to gain access to the products in question is their own problem but 
they will bring it upon themselves.

Getting back to the developer side of things.

I've been involved with a couple of companies over some time where certain 
tools I use have  been adapted to my needs. it's taken time but luckily, the 
team I work with know where I'm coming from and what I need, so implementation 
doesn't take long. it's emailed over to me or accessed over server to check and 
then taken on as my tools of the trade.

Where we stand to be honest is very carefully. the problem we have is that our 
voices aren't heard nor understood. you get those in the IT world who just 
don't grasp the situation, then there's the types who roll out any old junk 
just to rake in the money.

I hope and pray that one day, developers see us as real people with real needs 
and not a burden on resources... no... not... "That's a lovely burden you've 
got there" kind of thing.

lol

lew


On 15 Dec 2011, at 17:49, Chris Blouch wrote:

> But what is the other extreme? Does a vendor need to support any platform 
> they have an app for? What if they take the Adobe approach and support the 
> IAccessible2 API which doesn't exit on Mac? Adobe could claim safe harbor 
> because they did implement accessibility and it's Apple's lack of support of 
> an open standard that makes it fail. Or should they be required to support a 
> specific AT on each platform? That would work well for the Mac where VO is 
> pretty much it, but on Windows or BlackBerry where AT is bolted on from a 
> menu of different vendors, that could be untenable. Will be interesting to 
> see how this plays out and if there are any unintended consequences.
> 
> CB
> 
> On 12/15/11 12:09 PM, Mr. L. Alexander wrote:
>> 
>> if that were to be the case, that in itself is product exclusion and 
>> discrimination to users relying on the mac.
>> 
>> lew
>> 
>> 
>> On 15 Dec 2011, at 17:07, Chris Blouch wrote:
>> 
>>> I wonder what impact the new FCC notice of proposed rule making will have 
>>> for accessibility in communications apps. Will any email or chat app have 
>>> to be accessibly implemented on at least one platform? So if they make 
>>> Skype work with Jaws on Windows does that mean they don't have to do 
>>> anything for VO on OSX?
>>> 
>>> CB
>>> 
>>> On 12/15/11 5:58 AM, Mr. L. Alexander wrote:
>>>> Even though we're a small group (thanks for highlighting my comment) we 
>>>> still have rights of equality and access. it's just a question of working 
>>>> in partnership with developers, even if it means becoming beta testers 
>>>> officially and having direct input.
>>> 
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Free Macs For The blind is a charity project supplying older but working apple 
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